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Grossly Negligent: NYPD Sued for Shooting Innocent Bystanders

iprazhm Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:33 PM
Hmmm, suspect shot one person. Officers collectively fired 17 times hitting suspect 10 times in the chest, arms and legs, while wounding 9 innocent bystanders. Both officers joined the NYPD 15 years ago, so they weren't rookies. What is wrong with this picture? Perhaps NYPD would benefit, as would the public, by requiring routine training to teach officers to shoot deadly assailants in the head. Just a sugestion. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/jeffrey-johnson-nyc-shooter-details-harassment-steve-ercolino_n_1829977.html
JollyRogerK9 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:00 PM
In the law enforcement community, we'd refer to the 15-year "veterans" mentioned above as RODS - Retired-On-Duty. It's obvious that they had 15 segments of one-year experience..... you NEVER shoot into a crowded area!

Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:11 PM
they arrived on scene and a guy was displaying a weapon.
JollyRogerK9 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:15 PM
Where's prudence & good judgement? The fact that 9 people were injured is proof-positive that these the officers failed to exercise caution.
iprazhm Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:20 PM
They came up to the assailant from behind. He had to swing around towards them.
They clearly had the advantage.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:40 PM
you can't shoot a potential threat in the back-if you're a police officer.
iprazhm Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:57 PM
Evidently you can't shoot him in the head either...
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:37 PM
not if he's moving around. Unless you're Inspector Callahan.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:55 PM
The huffpo is not a credible source of information. Trying to take aimed shots at the head in a firefight is a recipe for failure. Best training is to fire at center mass, in groups.

Best leave these things to professionals.
iprazhm Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:19 PM
This incident shows clearly how effective aiming center mass was. First off, you have to hit center mass, not arms and legs.
YassirSanchez Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:25 PM
Define "professional"?

I have four children between 24 - 14. Two boys and two girls. ALL of them can shoot very nice tight patterns with any decent weapon you put in their hands at ranges from 25' to 300 yds depending on the weapon being used.

And yes they were all taught to shoot for "center mass" in ALL of their shooting. And they have never received ANY sort of "professional training just the same that I got. Being taught to shoot from rednecks who were taught to shoot by rednecks who could shoot.

Not to brag, but I have taken 52 deer in my 53 years from ten feet to 250 yds NONE of them required a second shot..

It is really not that hard to shoot well.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:39 PM
Deer do not return fire.

Thanks for playing.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:46 PM
targets move when you're shooting at them.
YassirSanchez Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:52 PM
And the assumption that one cannot fire accuately while under fire until one has BEEN under fire has been a really lousy debating point since forever.

iprazhm Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:56 PM
Neither did the assailant. The officers came up behind him and he swung around pointing his weapon in their direction. As far as i can tell he didn't fire a shot at officers.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:37 PM
he didn't get the chance perhaps. That doesn't mean the responders weren't looking down teh muzzle of that .45. Pretty big hole, ain't it?
CVN65 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:43 PM
Head shot is low-percentage shot. There is a very valid reason we are taught to hit them in the chest.

As the gun control debate rages on with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg leading the way, a woman in North Carolina is suing the New York City Police Department after they shot her and nine other people two months ago while trying to take out a single person near the Empire State Building.

A North Carolina college student hit by police gunfire during a shooting outside the Empire State Building argued in a lawsuit Tuesday that the police department and the officers involved need better training to deal with such confrontations in the future.