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Better Tools for Immigration Reform Than in 1986

iprazhm Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 3:41 PM
We do know what kind of people illegal aliens are. They are criminals who chose to violate the law of a foreign country by sneaking in. They have no respect for law. They are theives. When they get here they have to steal an American iD or aquire a fake one, which isn't hard when we have several mexican subversive organizations here that help them break the law, AND with our taxes via the corrupt US gov. Many of them are murderers and rapists. Illegals killed more people during the Iraqi war than the Iraq war did. Also the most violent bloodthirsty gangs are hispanic/latino, and are nationwide. MS13 being the most nortorious. Illegal immigrants offer an advantage only to the democrats who pay them for thier votes, using our taxes.
Anominus Wrote: Feb 01, 2013 12:55 PM
You are obviously not "hidebound" by facts at all. Up there? It's not "Pie in the Sky" - it's your brain that floated away due to your "open-mindedness."

11 million people won't just leave unless we give them a good reason to. Being unable to find work or receive benefits while facing the threat of criminal prosecution and deportation sound like pretty good reasons to me.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 11:02 PM

"Gee I feel like I'm talking to a little kid...no wait, even children know that it is wrong to steal and that punishment must come.

There is no excuse for you." (Iprahimsays.)

You feel like a superior kid. You hate kids who are dirt-poor of a dark color. What's the excuse for you? Why can't you love your neighbor? JESUS wants us to love our neighbor. Is HE just a little KID to you? One day at the judgment, you'll be questioned by Jesus:

"Why did you demand for impoverished Mexicans to be hounded in your rich country? Why were they hateful to you?" YES, punishment must come to you that day. Sooner than you think.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 9:41 PM

In "other words," I an not a hidebound fool like you.

I consider what is feasible and what is just Pie In the Sky. That 11 million people won't just leave because you get a hair up your @ss. Amnesty for the qualifiers is the best remedy.

Anominus Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 6:23 PM
In other words, you approve of giving amnesty to lawbreakers as a reward for their crime. You couldn't care less if they cut in front of all those people who tried to obey our laws by immigrating through the legal process in the hopes of becoming loyal citizens of our country! You are a RINO in the same class as John McShame. That makes you a liar! Citizenship does not bestow respect, and giving it to these undeserving trespassers does nothing but diminish the value of US law and citizenship.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 5:06 PM

The loon tells me:

"You are a liar. Conservatives believe in the rule of law, that is the basis for everything as per our Republic. Social conservatives believe it is the law of God on which everything is based, including our Consitution.
You do not. You advance breaking the law."

I'm a true Republican conservative. I don't lie; I don't apologize for law-breakers; I only approve of amnesty. WHEN they qualify. If they fail to qualify, deport them.

If a deported illegal returns to this country illegally; he should be sent to prison. Not RE-DEPORTED, to fool us again. We must put teeth in the immigration law!

Yet, in a legal amnesty a newly-legal person becomes a tax-paying citizen; respectable.
iprazhm Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 4:57 PM
There you go again, talking like the progressive you are.
If someone sneaks into your house and steals your food, your tv, your children's bicycle, your wallet or your wife's purse, that theif is no different than the illegal alien that sneaks into our country, steals and ID, steals welfare, HUD housing, jobs or all the other services and items they steal.
Gee I feel like I'm talking to a little kid...no wait, even children know that it is wrong to steal and that punishment must come.
There is no excuse for you.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 4:51 PM

As for languge-- A citizen of this country is FREE; he and she speak any language they PLEASE.

We don't have license to hate whoever speaks the language of their own people. Even a black man speaks what his slave ancestors considered the words of "our parents," and we don't discriminate against that. I can enter Oakland CA, and they say to me; Yo de man! Hi, POPS! (I'm a 75 year-old, "Pops," You hear whut Ahm sayin'???"

If you don't like Spanish; Go to hell.

iprazhm Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 4:49 PM
You are a liar. Conservatives believe in the rule of law, that is the basis for everything as per our Republic. Social conservatives believe it is the law of God on which everything is based, including our Consitution.
You do not. You advance breaking the law. You embrace anarchy.
You are no conservative. So who are you with, La Raza, Aztlan or MEChA?
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 4:44 PM

You speak like a loon;

I'm purely conservative; both fiscally and socially. I vote Reublican in every election. I REVERE George W Bush; and stand AGAINST all the Democrats from Obama on down.

which is why I post counter to so many stupid right-wingers who persistently oppose reaching out to Spanish-speaking voters; who otherwise take sides with the LEFT.

Even though in their own homes they are staunch conservatives. They would all make good Republicans; if we gave half a chance! I speak of LEGAL Hispanics; whose perception is that the GOP hates Mexicans!

iprazhm Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 4:27 PM
Your post is typical of liberal loons who try, and fail miserably, to convince people that 'illegal alien' is a race. Look up race in the dictionary and stop embarrassing yourself.
Illegal Alien is a category of criminal, not a race of people. Also it is the law that to vote in this country you MUST be a naturalized citizen. Before becoming a naturalized citizen you MUST be able to speak, read and write english. There should be no taxpayer bought ballots in Spanish.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Jan 31, 2013 4:02 PM
Your post is typical of the racist lunacy that's been alienating our party of the Right from Spanish-speaking voters --LEGAL Hispanics.

They have a more powerful voting bloc than even African Americans had. Which routinely voted for Democrats, and stymied conservatives. We CAN'T take black voters out of the Democrat plantation, nor WILL, ever!

Hispanics and Mexican-Americans aren't joined at the hip with leftist politicians and demagogues. They WILL join us if we reject racists on our own right fringe. Republicans cannot continue soiling our own nest by accepting racist hate speech in our party. If we keep on dismissing the Hispanic vote we'll never again elect a Republican president!

Yesterday, as Barack Obama called for a bipartisan immigration bill in Las Vegas and Sen. Marco Rubio called for one on Rush Limbaugh's program, the chances for passage look surprisingly good.

But in some quarters -- mostly from the right, but also from liberals like blogger Mickey Kaus -- comes a complaint that deserves to be addressed.

We tried this once already, they say, in the 1986 immigration act. We were told that in return for legalization of illegal immigrants we would get tough border control and strict enforcement against employers who hired illegals.

We got the amnesty, these folks say,...