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Early Tea Leaves?

indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 10:52 AM
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who wins, neither side is interested in making real cuts to the budget....tax rates will only go up or down a few percentage points (the only thing that might get really changed the tax rate on investments).....as debt goes up the dollar will get weaker, energy will go up in price, along with food and other things that we need....meanwhile other countries will catch up to us as far as tech and economic status and we will all suffer.....the real change would be throwing out the 2 party system we are stuck with and getting someone in who isn't controlled by special interests, but that is a long shot......
wbenton Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:18 AM
"It doesn't matter" is a coward's way of refusing to assume the responsibility of participation. Thanks for letting me decide for you.
indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:22 AM
i still voted, but at the end of the day I know neither candidate will make any changes.....if you really think Romney will not go to congress and ask them to raise the debt ceiling you are dreaming....the debt will keep going up, and we will keep getting weaker as a nation.....
wbenton Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:27 AM
I do imagine that he will go to congress to raise the debt ceiling. But I believe it will happen exactly once during his Presidency, giving him the time to get the budget cuts and for the economy to grow and raise the revenues. It will be part of the bi-partisan process.
indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:34 AM
wbenton, it will happen more then once....one of the reasons Presidents have to raise the ceiling is to pay for things we have already committed to and Obama has committed to a lot, just like Bush.......also do you really expect the libs to cooperate with Romney? That will never happen, there is no more teamwork in DC, the last time that happened was with Clinton and Newt, and after the conservatives went after Clinton for the whole BJ thing it ended......

The point I am trying to make is that 2 parties cannot and should not control the country, if we want to make real progress we need more parties in the system to make people work together.....
JRusso Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:58 AM
"The point I am trying to make is that 2 parties cannot and should not control the country, if we want to make real progress we need more parties in the system to make people work together....."

In the war between Washington DC and the USA, the last thing I want is a unified enemy "working together". Liberty vs Tyranny is a zero-sum game.
Illbay Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:09 AM
"At the end of the day I will still be able to complain because my unrealistic expectations will never be met..."

Hey, why not go for some tiny splinter party's presidential nomination in 2016?

No, wait, that would be too much like doing something...
indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:14 AM
unrealistic? I want the debt to go down while our economy gets stronger, the last time I checked that is pretty reasonable......

I just am complaining that I have to settle for these 2, I don't like either of them but one of them will be my President...sorry if you are willing to settle for a system that has put us 16T in debt......
Lance6161 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 10:59 AM
As is often heard, a long journey begins with the first step. Surrender on the first day is cowardice. No one knows the future of this nation, but to not fight to rid the U.S. of the Maobama blight, is treason.
indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:03 AM
i am sure libs will say voting for romney is treason......i remember many conservatives saying talking against a president while Bush was in office is treason.....i think people are using the word treason a bit too loosely nowadays.....
Lance6161 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:07 AM
Judging by the points in you posts, I wouldn't doubt you believe it is uesd "a bit too loosely".
Dan_AZ Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 10:57 AM
I keep hearing "it doesn't matter". However Obama is a radical marxist and we know that after 4 years we're not better off. Just because Obama is too far to the Left and for these failed 4 years and Romney is better.
indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:02 AM
Obama is not far left, he has just been painted that way by the media....he is pretty much the black version of Bush...he extended tax cuts, he kept spending like Bush, he cut NASA's shuttles...the only thing that he did was really a leftist thing was the ACA, and even that catered to private insurance companies who I bet are laughing all the way to the bank.....Romney will do more of the same, he will make some minimal cuts to aid programs and then increase military spending by massive amounts which will put us further in debt...either way we will be spending way too much, neither candidate will ever go after medicare/aid, military or social security...... The only reason I am rooting for Romney is that he might cut taxes....
Dan_AZ Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:07 AM
We agree to disagree. He is far left. Bailouts, populist speeches off the teleprompter, Chicago-style politics, Benghazi and all this c r a p with Middle East, praising european socialism...
indy2012 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:12 AM
Dan, I agree all those things are wrong, but bailouts started by Bush, they all use teleprompters, you can't control what crazy people in other countries do...and European socialism works for some countries, but I do not think it will work here......i just don't think there is a big difference between Obama and Romney, both parties say they are different but at the end of the day they do the same things, and to me actions speak louder then words......
Frank156 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:31 AM
Friend, if you really belive he is far left you've been drinking up too much rightwing propaganda. He's barely center left. Anyone that actually believes what you've said is embarrassingly dumb.
pow1000 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:42 AM
pow1000 Wrote: Nov 06, 2012 11:42 AM
What???
Man, what have been watching.

Election Day is typically rather frustrating for political junkies because "today's the day!" quickly gives way to "ugh, the polls don't close for hours."  In the interim, we latch onto reports of voting disruptions and anecdotal turnout reports, which are promptly spun into  broader lessons about what to expect later that night.  Most of it amounts to frivolous time-fillers.  To help pass the time, let's see if we can examine a few tea leaves as voters head to the polls:

(1) As Kevin noted last night, the tiny town of Dixville Notch, NH cast the first votes on...

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