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Emancipation: January 1, 1863

InAmericaSince1627 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 12:22 PM
The South fired on Ft. Sumter. You can argue the reasons, but they started the shooting.
Paulus Textor Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 10:50 PM
Tyrants LOVE making a big deal about the alleged "first shot" in a war. This is a semi-plausible way for them to gain some alleged moral high ground.

In WWII, Hitler engineered the "first shot" by the Poles, in a false-flag operation.

In the Spanish-American War, the US either took advantage of a terrible accident, or deliberately engineered the explosion on the battleship Maine.

The "first shot" is quite meaningless.
Milt37 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 5:23 PM
Pappy,

That's almost like saying that when Japan attacked Peal Harbor, because they decided that any islands in the Pacific were rightfully theirs, that made everything okay.

Just because the Confederacy decided what they wanted, and were "rightfully" theirs, does not make it right. The South fired the first shot, they started the war, and we've seen how that worked out.

Why you Southerners (not all, just some) spend your lifetime moaning about your loss is beyond me. The South was destined to lose. They had some great military leaders (better than the North, in most cases), but they were fighting for an outdated economy, that even if they had won, would have collapsed a long time ago.
pascagoulapappy Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 4:21 PM
Milt--the point was that Charleston Harbor was no longer in the U. S. in 1861.
InAmericaSince1627 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:11 PM
Pasca,
My great-grandfather fought with the 39th Wisconsin. His uncle was A.B. Lawrence who took the flag that flew over the Richmond, Va. Headquarters. I have a piece of that flag along with a Confederate bill surrendered at Appomattox. Lawrence says he left the rope that held the flag, “to be used for those traitors who led the rebellion”. I have several letters from him to my great-grandfather telling about how he got the flag and was instructed to cut it up.
We are one country now, my fellow American, so let’s remember that war as the end of a question long unsettled in the founding of it.
Milt37 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 12:59 PM
Pappy,

The Yankees were already where they belonged, which before the first shot was anywhere within the U.S.

Just because some hot-headed rednecks (including your great-grandpappy) decided to start a war, doesn't shift the blame. And it doesn't justify the Confederacy supporting a despicable institution that most of the Western world had abolished before then. Just because the Southerners were inherently drunken, violent and uneducated bums (Scots-Irish immigrants), who couldn't develop real industry like the North, they insisted on enslaving other humans.

Too bad your great-granpa didn't die in the war, then maybe I wouldn't have to read your neo-reb comments all the time.
pascagoulapappy Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 12:38 PM
Yes, the South fired on Ft. Sumter--my great-grandfather was among the troops who fired the shots. If the Yankess had simply got the hell back up North, we Southerners would not have had to shoot.

Editor's Note: This column was coauthored by Bob Morrison.

President Abraham Lincoln had been warned by Gen. George B. McClellan not to interfere with the institution of slavery. McClellan was a “War Democrat,” willing to fight to preserve the Union, but unwilling to do anything about the root cause of the rebellion that threatened the life of the nation.

Ironically, it was McClellan’s victory at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862, that had given Lincoln the opportunity he needed to issue his Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation. In that document, the President warned rebellious states in the South that they would...