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Prager didn't chew anybody up. The only mistake Perez Hilton made was not challenging Dennis Prager to state EXACTLY what value he believes no two men can convey to a child, and EXACTLY what value he believes no two women can convey to a child. Yes, men's and women's differences go beyond the physical, but there is no human value which is exclusively male or exclusively female. Prager should be challenged to make explicit his vague appeal to prejudice.
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Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 6:08 PM
When you consider that life expectancy was something like 40 years, I'm not so sure that's the point. In any case, to equate a society of slaveholders who threw in a "Jubilee" twice a century with the free society we enjoy (thanks to the liberal impulse toward universal liberty) is to play fast and loose with veracity.
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Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 5:58 PM
This is the same silly game Prager plays in his book - pretending that since the Republican party was the liberal party when Lincoln was President, they're still the liberal party today. In fact, it wasn't "the Left" defending the right to own slaves. Then, as now, that was conservatives doing what conservatives do - conserving the status quo. It was "the Left" which fought to abolish slavery, and yes, at the time that meant the Republicans. In fact, up until the 1960s, when the reactionary descendents of slaveholders, the "Dixiecrats," decided the Democratic party was too liberal for them and deserted it (some, like Strom Thurmond became Republicans), it DID attract most of the racists. Most racists are now Republicans or Tea Party.
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Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 4:36 PM
We'd only be lost if we'd ceased to fight for our liberty. Prager and the religious right want to deny homosexuals the liberty of marrying the person they love. The Left (as Prager capitalizes it) is currently fighting to expand liberty on this issue, just as it previously fought to free and then to enfranchise African slaves, and to enfranchise women and non-propertied men. The word "liberal" (which Prager seems to equate to "the Left" at numerous points in his book) is derived from the same root as "liberty". The idea that "liberty" belongs exclusively to "Americanism" (as Prager terms it) is nonsense.
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Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 12:57 PM
"established in our Declaration of Independence." In fact, the Declaration states that to secure the rights of liberty, "governments are instituted among men, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED." (emphasis mine). It is WE THE PEOPLE who are the source and guarantor of the liberty we enjoy.
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Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 12:53 PM
"Prager discusses where our liberty originates, and concludes that the only place it can possibly come from is God. This is a uniquely American value that was derived from the Bible and established in our Declaration of Independence." Prager offers as evidence the inscription on the Liberty Bell from Leviticus 25:10, which (in context) says that every 50 years (two years out of every century) the slaves should be freed. To argue that this in any way conforms to the modern idea of liberty is so dishonest it's laughable.
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Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 12:50 PM
"If liberty is provided by man, it can be taken away; but, if it’s from God, it is ours unfettered." History provides endless examples of liberty being taken away. Therefore, if it is true that if it's from God it can't be taken away, the only logical conclusion is that it isn't from God.
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