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Prager Treatise - A Must Read

Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 12:57 PM
"established in our Declaration of Independence." In fact, the Declaration states that to secure the rights of liberty, "governments are instituted among men, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED." (emphasis mine). It is WE THE PEOPLE who are the source and guarantor of the liberty we enjoy.
wmou Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 2:01 PM
If you are right, our country is lost and we have no real Rights, just temporary priveleges.
The Teleprompter Speaks Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 4:33 PM
Notice "SECURE the rights of liberty." It doesn't say governments grant us rights.
Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 4:36 PM
We'd only be lost if we'd ceased to fight for our liberty.

Prager and the religious right want to deny homosexuals the liberty of marrying the person they love. The Left (as Prager capitalizes it) is currently fighting to expand liberty on this issue, just as it previously fought to free and then to enfranchise African slaves, and to enfranchise women and non-propertied men. The word "liberal" (which Prager seems to equate to "the Left" at numerous points in his book) is derived from the same root as "liberty".

The idea that "liberty" belongs exclusively to "Americanism" (as Prager terms it) is nonsense.
Reginald10 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 4:58 PM
The "Left" actually wanted to defend the right to own property; in particular, slaves. That's why so many freed slaves and their decendents became Republicans, and remained so through the New Deal. Likewise, they are happy to remove the vote from those who are not of "nature's nobility", i.e., women etc. They believe that only They are wise enough to rule.

The religious Right understand that they are sinful and prone to error; and thus do not mind if someone else wants to check their work.
Ian_Zeggman Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 5:58 PM
This is the same silly game Prager plays in his book - pretending that since the Republican party was the liberal party when Lincoln was President, they're still the liberal party today. In fact, it wasn't "the Left" defending the right to own slaves. Then, as now, that was conservatives doing what conservatives do - conserving the status quo. It was "the Left" which fought to abolish slavery, and yes, at the time that meant the Republicans. In fact, up until the 1960s, when the reactionary descendents of slaveholders, the "Dixiecrats," decided the Democratic party was too liberal for them and deserted it (some, like Strom Thurmond became Republicans), it DID attract most of the racists. Most racists are now Republicans or Tea Party.

My introduction to Dennis Prager took place in 1981, at a synagogue in Reno, Nevada. There we were – a group of grown men huddled around a tape player – listening to a recording of a guy who was principally known to Angelinos through his local radio show called “Religion on the Line.” Dennis has raised his profile a good bit since then, and he has done much to change the world in the process.

Prager has just released his fifth book, entitled Still the Best Hope, which he refers to as the culmination of his life’s work. That...