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Legitimate Rape Arguments

IAdmitIAmCrazy Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 8:07 PM
Mother of 4, we are entering into dishonesty territory. You simply DECLARE that a zygote is a "human being" and then use that as a tool to badger me with the GENERALIZATION of "selected, superior classES of human beingS hav[ing] rights while other, lesser human beings may be freely slaughtered for the convenience of those who do have rights." Conveniently, this invokes all sorts of dark and sinister insinuations. I respect that you consider a zygote a human being but I expect you to also respect that BECAUSE I do see an essential differences between a zygote and an essentially viable and sentient embryo I would not IN GENERAL differentiate between selected, higher classES of human beingS (note your defamatory plurals).
The_Nerd_Warrior Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 2:23 AM
To say that a zygote is a human being is far less arbitrary than to say it occurs at some subjective, nebulous later period of development.

The only difference between a zygote and an adult is size, complexity, and raw materials. Just like the difference between a six-year-old child and an adult.

I'll say it again: If you cannot be SURE you're not killing a human being, and you're doing it anyway, you obviously place little value on human life. There are simply no ifs, ands, or buts about this.
DocJ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 9:15 PM
Dear Crazy, like your name,
I respect your right to your opinion, but you don't have a right to change the meaning of words. Please stick with what words actually mean, and don't impose a new meaning. Do you know what a zygote is? No one can abort a zygote, since there is no sign it is there until it starts to divide and becomes an embryo. There are ethical issues with zygotes, I admit it is a difficult subject, but this is about abortion, not about fertilized eggs.

I am quesy about the whole rape exception issue, because on the one hand it is cruel for a woman to have to carry an embryo after a rape. Yet, if an embryo is a developing human, are we not killing him or her because of something his / her father did? Is that ethical?
shubi_ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 9:24 PM
Crazy left and you are crazy to try to reason with the troll.
IAdmitIAmCrazy Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 8:11 PM
To me, like to you, there is only ONE class of human beings. We disagree on WHEN the inclusion starts.
shubi_ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 8:13 PM
Could you please kill yourself, because I can't imagine any mother wanted you.
IAdmitIAmCrazy Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 8:14 PM
This of course still referred to Mo4.

On the other: I wonder if among conservatives it is morrally correct to entice someone to take his own life ....
shubi_ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 8:16 PM
Could you please kill yourself, because I can't imagine any mother wanted you.
Original Saepe__Expertus Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 8:47 PM is ENTIRELY inappropriate.
shubi_ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 9:03 PM
Lighten up General. This troll has been spamming all day.
DocJ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 9:17 PM
shubi, please, your repeated insult lowers our standards. Do we not have an obligation to behave?
shubi_ Wrote: Aug 27, 2012 9:24 PM
It would just be perceived as weakness by our enemies.
Don't be such a wuss.
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