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Horribilus Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 9:11 AM
Galenica, wrote, ""ANYTHING made of up humans possesses morality." ??? Then you state that the NAZI's were A-moral which is the opposite of your previous assertion. Please clarify your point. You've lost me." Arguments are always easier to win when you change what the opposition said. I said the Nazi were immoral. They were. Ransom said they were a-moral. Now that you aren't lost any more. If you take the point of view that this life is all there is and there is no greater power out there, then your point about sacrifices your life for others is correct. But if you believe that God is love and that no man shows greater love than that of laying his life down for his brethern, then dying for this is not only moral, it is the greatest..
Galenical Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 9:46 AM
Thanks. I see your point. What thew me off is your statement, "Anything made up of humans possesses morality." I cannot agree with that statement. Morality is an act, not a possession. I "think" I am in agreement with Ransom's assertion that groups cannot be moral, that morality only exists at the individual level because it depends on individual action. It may apply to a group if all of the members are in complete agreement with the actions of the group as a whole. Ransom is wrong here: "They will always act in their own selfish best interest, even if that best interest sometimes looks like it has a moral objective. He left out the words "what they believe to be" their own...
Galenical Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 9:53 AM
Just looked up the defs of amoral and immoral. You got me on the word switch. Learn something new every day.
Horribilus Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 10:04 AM
Well, I have to admit you have me struggling with my idea that morality is always in the individuals best interest. My theology tells me I'm correct, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't throw myself on the grenade.
Galenical Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 10:16 AM
The NAZI's were immoral. If a German soldier throws himself on a grenade to save his fellows and his fellows win the battle and the battle wins the war, was the sacrifice of the soldier a moral action? That is, does he enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Sigh. My head is spinning.
Horribilus Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 10:24 AM
Well, I think is safe to say that no one is perfectly moral or even immoral. Let's call the Nazi's action an act of contrition.
Horribilus Wrote: Oct 21, 2012 9:12 AM
act of self interest there is. No man is a fool for giving up what he can't keep to gain what he can't lose.

ModMark wrote: One of the coal plants shut down in Chicago was built ~90 years ago. While upgraded in the 1950's. it still did not meet EPA standards before Obama was elected. These plants were grandfather in when the clean air act was past. These ancient relics should have been converted to natural gas long ago.Do you really want to live next to one of these ancient plants? –in response to Obama Promise Kept: Coal Plants to go Bankrupt with New EPA Carbon Cap

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The building was built 90 years ago, but the...

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