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Where Is John Galt?

HoovervilleFollies Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 7:01 PM
You know the American Right is descending into absurdity when it claims to represent Christian virtues on the one hand while touting the sociopathic "gospel of selfishness" nonsense of Ayn Rand on the other.
Robert54 Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 10:49 PM
It's selfishness only if you think it is. Government forcing people to support others through taxation is selfishness. Choosing to do so willingly through agents of your own choosing is not. Probably the worst acts of selfishness are committed by Liberals and Democrats who feel empathy and sympathy for the the poor but expect others to do the giving through force. One need only look at the tax returns of Joe Biden, the Clintons, (they logged contributions of Bill's Boxers!!!) and the charitable works of Christian Conservatives. They consistently contribute 2-3 times what Liberal "churches" give. Compare PCUSA and PCA church tithes for instance. Or ELCA and Wisconsin Synod. Those with no attitude of gratitude give the least.
Troglodite Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 8:13 PM
It is true that there is no way to reconcile Christianity (or theism, or even real Aristotelianism) or conservatism with Ayn Rand's Objectivism. I wrote elsewhere that reading or, worse yet, adulating "Atlas Shrugged" for those parts with which a Christian, or a theist, or Aristotelian, or conservative can agree is like eating a turdburger for the sake of the pickles. Or, then again, given the state of Christianity today, perhaps the pickles are just the rationalization for eating the Objectivist turdburger.
wiseone Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 8:48 PM
Conservatives believe in economic SELF-INTEREST and theological integrity, not any "sociopathic gospel of selfishness."

Conservative Christians admire Rand for her clear and unqualified support for economic meritocracy as opposed to socialism/communism.

That doesn't mean Christian conservatives agree with her atheism, other than to respect her good grace to keep it out of her stories.

Your posts are examples of how the left has to actually re-write conservative philosophy in order to criticize it, not just redefine it.

You still have NEVER been able to disprove the success of capitalism and it really pi$$e$ you off.
Troglodite Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 8:58 PM

"Her good grace to keep it our of her stories"? Surely you jest or make it up as you go along. I remember that AS ended with the sign of the dollar.

"[T]he left has to actually re-write conservative philosophy in order to criticize it." Well, maybe, but I am not left, Rand is not conservative, I am not re-writing Rand.

"You still have NEVER been able to disprove the success of capitalism and it really pi$$e$ you off." I have never tried to disprove it, because its success (in most respects) is indisputable and the failure of alternatives (in every respect) is likewise indisputable.
wiseone Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 9:51 PM
She kept her atheism out of her stories.

They were about political issues and the political issues she discussed were all based on differing views of economics.

I apologize for hitting the wrong "Reply" button. I was intending to reply to Hooverville.
Troglodite Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 9:57 PM
Regardless of whom you intended to reply to, Rand's atheism pervades "AS."

Where is a man who can save us? A man of virtue and action who can rebuild our economy and culture? We must find a true-to-life John Galt.

I think America’s best shot at economic recovery and restoring constitutional freedom is to nurture men and women who emulate the virtues of John Galt, a hero in Ayn Rand’s magnum opus novel, Atlas Shrugged. Galt is a man of unparalleled virtue, intelligence and action in a fictional U.S. economy that is eerily identical to the present-day U.S. economy.

Galt is an American inventor who lives and breathes his philosophy: “I swear—by my...