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Who Makes the Cut for the Worst Presidents Ever?

HermanBB Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 1:32 PM
To G LBJ started the Viet Nam War?
silentCalfan Wrote: Feb 14, 2013 3:17 AM
Before Ike, Truman loaned the French $1.2 billion to finance their war. And before that Truman failed to heed MacArthur's advice to stop the French from reimposing colonial rule in Vietnam. Our venture in Vietnam was minor under Truman, a little worse under Ike and JFK, and a catastrophe under LBJ.
Delta Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 6:20 PM
Truth to tell, Eisenhower was the president who began our interference in Viet Nam, not having learned from the losing fiascos perpetrated by France.
WestTexan Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 4:46 PM
and Kennedy's FP team were all socialist twits too.
WestTexan Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 4:45 PM
The Frogs didn't deserve squat after the war, not squat.
WestTexan Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 4:44 PM
That's right. LBJ was also a domestic crook (not Nixon).
scott s. Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 4:15 PM
The French of course lost at Dien Bien Phu and Eisenhower would not provide assistance, rather accepting the Geneva Accords with a minor role for US "advisers". Kennedy made the decision to exceed the allowed number of advisers and then to assist in the coup against Diem. With Diem gone US was in the position of "you break it you own it" and the build up of MACV proceeded quickly. Johnson largely accepted the views of Kennedy's foreign policy team.
Doug5049 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 2:50 PM
The truth is that the Vietnam war started at the end of WWII. Vietnam had been occupied by the Japanese. At the war's end, American generals kept order while the Vietnamese people worked on creating their own government. Before the war, they were a French colony. Before they could get their government established, France told Truman they wanted Vietnam back. Truman complied. The Vietnamese then took up arms against the French occupiers. And it grew from there into the disaster in the 60s.
Milt37 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 1:48 PM
To HermanBB (Goering, Jr.)

Hey neo-Nazi, who would suggest did? Eisenhower first sent a few hundred advisors there in the late 50's, JFK ramped it up a bit by sending more military trainers (Green Berets) there, but until LBJ's faked Gulf of Tonkin incident, we weren't all that involved.

Knowing you, I'm sure you're going to claim Israel caused it all.
Texas12 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 1:40 PM
You are right that LBJ did not start the Vietnam War but he certainly escalated the level of hostilities without taking away the safe havens for the enemy.

As President Obama prepares his State of the Union Address and the nation looks forward to a Presidents Day holiday, Americans should consider the warning examples of our worst chief executives.

While few of Washington and Lincoln's successors could hope to replicate their epic achievements, every president can — and must — focus on avoiding the appalling ineptitude of John Tyler, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan and their feckless fellow travelers on the road to presidential perdition. The common elements that link our least successful leaders teach historical lessons at least as important as the shared traits of the Rushmore Four:...