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Republicans Need to Reach Minorities

HermanBB Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:35 PM
To Jack Brown people don't exactly have a good track record when it comes to creating enlightened societies. Correct me if I am wrong.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 6:55 PM
But, those African immigrant families are current, and sound more like your description of immigrants of years past.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 6:54 PM
A friend of mine is a high school teacher in a fairly difficult high school, and she has told me that there is an unfortunate difference in studiousness, work ethic, in-class behavior toward the teacher, etc, between her African American students and her students of African immigrant parents. :( I was sorry to hear that.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 6:52 PM
It must be regional--I really don't think we have anything much like that here in Maryland. Everyone I've ever dealt with professionally here speaks pretty fluent English and while people are certainly proud of their heritage, they don't seem to be proud at the expense of America. None of my children have had any classes that are ethnic studies classes (I don't even remember seeing them on the course syllabi during enrollment). I think we may have a disproportionately high number of educated, skilled immigrants here though--no close border, either.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 5:54 PM
And the difference between the immigrants of years past and the immigrants of today is this: In the past, immigrants came to America to make a new life for themselves. The absorbed American culture while knitting parts of their own culture into our national fabric. Today, immigrants come to America to be GIVEN a new life - they demand that we cater to their culture rather than trying to assimilate our culture.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 5:46 PM
@Ishort: Living in Arizona, I see it in the hispanic politicians who represent "their people" over all other races (Raul Grijalva), their social organizations (La Raza), their public demands (restoration of Aztlan), and the way the completely ignore the laws of our nation (the border). I see it in the way they treat our school system ("Mexican American Studies" which teach children that the "white man" is "keeping them down"), our healthcare (flooding our hospitals without any intention of making payments), their language (I've had people who refuse to speak English and demand that I speak Spanish), their culture (displaying the Mexican flag over the USA flag). To a lesser degree, you see some of the same behaviors from other races here.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 4:22 PM
The same sentiments were expressed by Americans during the great immigrant influx that brought us the Germans, Poles, Jews, Irish, Italians et al. Immigrant cultures remember and long for the homeland as a matter of course. My ancestors longed for County Cork and for Scotland. My wife's grandparents came here speaking Polish and RUssian. They, like all the other immigrant populations, will be subsumed in American culture over time.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 4:17 PM
Does your neck hurt from all those gyrations? He was the one who said "record", meaning vents over time. He also referred to creating societies, which has an even longer time frame.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 4:15 PM
I read recently that the wave immigrants from Mexico, at least, has slowed down...I don't see the hatred that you say immigrants have in the majority for American culture. Where do you get that idea?
Anominus Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 4:00 PM
@ Jack@$$: As he was responding to your inane statement of our "policy," I'm going to stick with my initial statement. If it's current policy, it refers to modern times.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 4:00 PM
As he was responding to your inane statement of our "policy," I'm going to stick with my initial statement. If it's current policy, it refers to modern times.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 3:59 PM
@ Ishort: You are correct. Civilizations will always rise and fall - that is the nature of humanity. The question is "is our society on the rise or about to fall and in either case, why?"

I am currently of the opinion that the American project is on a swift path of decline for many reasons, such as the unchecked immigration (invasion) of unskilled workers who come here to send money and have great hatred for American culture, especially when combined with the recent demonstration of increasing public demand for government handouts.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 3:19 PM
No anominus, that is not what Hermann was referring to. He said what he meant. He believes non-white people are intellectually and culturally inferior to white people. Its part and parcel of the right wing acceptance of racism.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 2:51 PM
Very true--my only point was that no one skin color has ever had the monopoly on civilization; it goes back and forth. No one civilization has ever or will ever be penultimate, and no one race has ever held or will ever hold ascendancy in terms of enlightenment over all of human history.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 2:45 PM
And there were times where "white" societies were civilized and advanced while "brown" societies were primitive barbaries or feudal theocracies suppressing literacy and knowledge - most notably modern times - which is what I expect Herman was referring to.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 2:00 PM
And here's what the white people were doing: BritainBritain experienced a great influx of Viking peoples in the 9th century as the Viking Age continued from the previous century. The kingdoms of the Heptarchy were gradually conquered by the Danes, who set up Anglo-Saxon puppet rulers in each kingdom. This invasion was achieved by a huge military force known as the Great Heathen Army which was supposedly led by Ivar the Boneless, Halfdan Ragnarsson and Guthrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_century#Western_Europe
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:59 PM
gather all the world's knowledge into Arabic.[25] Many classic works of antiquity that would otherwise have been lost were translated into Arabic and Persian and later in turn translated into Turkish, Hebrew and Latin.[25] During this period the Muslim world was a cauldron of cultures which collected, synthesized and significantly advanced the knowledge gained from the ancient Roman, Chinese, Indian, Persian, Egyptian, North African, Greek and Byzantine civilizations.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Empire
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:58 PM
The Abbasid historical period lasting to 1258 (Mongol conquest of Baghdad) is considered the Islamic Golden Age.[24] The Islamic Golden Age was inaugurated by the middle of the 8th century by the ascension of the Abbasid Caliphate and the transfer of the capital from Damascus to Baghdad.[25] The Abbassids were influenced by the Qur'anic injunctions and hadith such as "the ink of a scholar is more holy than the blood of a martyr" stressing the value of knowledge.[25] During this period the Muslim world became an intellectual center for science, philosophy, medicine and education as the Abbasids championed the cause of knowledge and established the House of Wisdom in Baghdad; where both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars sought to translate and g
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:54 PM
India, South East Asia, pre-1492 Americas, Egypt, Peru, Mexico, Middle East.

Enough for a start?
HermanBB Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:49 PM
To Ishort and Jack

Thanks for your insight.

If only you had a single example to support your position.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:45 PM
You are wrong.

See, that was easy.
lshort Wrote: Dec 17, 2012 1:45 PM
You're wrong. There were brown societies were civilized and advanced at times when the vast majority of white societies were either primitive barbarians or feudal theocracies actively suppressing literacy and knowledge. You are making the fairly common but very erroneous assumption that our current snapshot in time represents the whole of human civilization and history.

The biggest story of the past election was how President Obama’s team was able to get his interest groups to the polls and how correspondingly the Republicans feel behind on certain interest groups. It is clear Republican failed to capture the votes of Hispanics, Asians and other groups. So let’s take a look at where they are and what they need to do.

To discover what happened one has to look at what the Republicans have been doing and why they failed to attract certain voters. The first and most important point is not that they have failed policies or...