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Roe v. Wade at 40

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:10 PM
It is not settled science that life begins at conception. Science has only determined that conception marks the beginning of human gestation. It says nothing about whether a "human being" is created at conception. I concede that if it was concluded that life began at conception, then abortion would be murder. But that conclusion has not been definitively made because people are still arguing it, as evidenced by this very website.
MadisonWannabe Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 7:31 AM
An embryo is a stage of life. Other stages are baby, toddler, teen, young adult and etc. These are merely words used to describe the different stages. The only definite one is turning thirteen because it is a number. When does baby end and toddler begin? How about adulthood or old timer? How about manhood or womanhood as compared to child? I hope you are not looking for "consensus" as in global warming or the inquisition of does the sun go around the earth or vice - versa.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 6:51 AM
I'm not trying to justify anything. Please don't misconstrue my words. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in the logic. It doesn't matter what an embryo will turn into or where you plant it. That is a non-sequiter. You could make an artificial womb (and science is working on this) and it wouldn't matter. At some point in the gestation process, the embryo is no longer an embryo and becomes an individual of that species. Where is that point? If it's at conception, then why even call it an embryo? It makes no logical sense.
MadisonWannabe Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 10:45 PM
If you took a human embryo and implanted it in a dog, would it then turn into a German Shepard? Or more logically would it still be a human embryo. You are desperately trying to justify throwing an unborn baby into the dumpster.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 8:40 PM
Conception creates an embryo. That's not unique to humans though. In nearly all animals, conception creates an embryo that only becomes an individual of a species at a later point. We can't logically conclude that conception creates a human life when the process is so similar throughout the animal kingdom. Science doesn't say when life begins. It says when an embryo is formed. That's a clear distinction and the crux of the abortion debate.
Navy-baby Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 5:00 PM
If not a human being at conception, what is it? A watermellon? A plant? What??

Science is clearly on the side of when life begins: in-vitro implantation takes place at the EIGHT-CELLED stage. You can't even SEE it at that stage, but doctors know that if the microscopic embryo is accepted by the woman's uterus, a newborn baby will be the end-result--and we all know how blessed those lucky couples feel.
Paul08 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 5:00 PM
You argue that that it hasn't been settled when life begins. Only those who want legal abortion say we don't know when life begins. Then you say we don't know when a human being is created. Of course it is a human being that is created. It isn't a bird, a cat, a dog or any other creature on earth. I come to the conclusion that you would expect a child to walk and talk before you would be gracious enough to grant the grand honor of being human to a person.

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