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Roe v. Wade at 40

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 9:03 AM
I don't agree with Mr. Thomas in that abortion cheapens life. Abortion was around long before Roe v. Wade and crime rates were a lot higher in decades past, especially in the 60s before abortion became a major issue. Life isn't cheapened by divorce, pornography, or out-of-wedlock marriages either. There's no logic to that because these are choices and behaviors. Life is cheapened when people attach labels to others and dehumanize them out of hatred, bigtory, or malice. It can be done in the name of politics, religion, or social class. But I don't think abortion is part of that because it's been so persistent throughout history.
Mike2348 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:19 AM
I agree that life is certainly cheapened when we try to 'dehumanize' other people. After all wasn't that one of the arguments put forth in defending slavery - "They're not human, they have no rights!" Isn't it also interesting that that is the same argument used by pro-choice people today when talking about embryos and fetuses? Hmm.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 8:42 PM
The distinction between embryos and slavery is not a fair comparison. It's illogical to call an embryo a human being because every animal makes an embryo at conception. It's only later in gestation that the embryo becomes an individual of the given species. The argument is at what point in the process of gestation does an embryo become a human being. That question has not been answered conclusively by the pro life or the pro choice side for that matter. And until it is answered, the debate will continue.
Younger Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 11:32 AM
When a the sperm of a man and the ovum of a woman unite, what can possibly be the result except a human being? When the sperm of a stallion and the ovum of a mare unite, what can possibly be the result except a horse?

HeraldOfGalactus, you apparently have no ability to reason.
scrow Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 9:58 AM
"Life isn't cheapened by divorce, pornography, or out-of-wedlock marriages either. There's no logic to that because these are choices and behaviors. Life is cheapened when people attach labels to others and dehumanize them out of hatred, bigtory, or malice"

People attaching labels to others and dehumanizing them are "choices and behaviors," too.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 9:14 AM
"Life is cheapened when people attach labels to others and dehumanize them"

You don't think life is cheapened when people call a preborn one a name that dehumanizes it? Regardless of how long abortion has been around?
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:05 PM
This is the crux of the issue that you and I can't agree upon. At what point in the process of human gestation does a fetus become a human being? You think it happens at conception. I admit I don't know and I haven't come across any logical argument that proves any phase less arbitrary than the other. If it can be logically and coherently reasoned that the preborn are human beings, then abortion would be murder. But until that question is clear, we can't be sure and making assumptions would have serious implications for both the fetus and the woman.

At last week's signing of "executive actions" designed to combat gun violence in America, President Obama, flanked by schoolchildren, said, "...when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable among us, we must act now."

There's no doubt that children, especially schoolchildren, are vulnerable to all kinds of threats, but are they "the most vulnerable," as the president claimed, or is there another category of human life that qualifies for that designation?

Forty years after a Supreme Court majority opened the door to legalized abortion, the number of aborted babies has reached roughly 55 million....