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“Gay Sin” Survey Reveals We’re Playing God on Moral Questions

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 9:41 AM
Sodomy is not new. It's been around long before the gay rights movement. It's been around longer than America or Christianity for that matter. I agree that people should be educated about high risk sexual behavior. But how much worse is sodomy compared to other damaging behaviors? How many people does sodomy directly kill compared to smoking, homicide, suicide, drinking, and traffic accidents? I think the anti-homosexuality crusade is a poor use of energy and resources in the grand scheme of improving lives and furthering Christian goals.
Jim69 Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 5:21 PM
There is no one exactly like me or you. I still want to see the numbers not just anecdotal comments.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Jan 18, 2013 2:59 PM
That only proves you need to get out more among people not exactly like you.
Jim69 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 5:52 PM
Please provide your statistics on the number of ex-gays you know and the number of gays you know to see if your sampling is reliable.
PatriotAfire Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 5:47 PM
Have you read AIDS: What the Government Isn’t Telling You? It was written by orthopedic trauma surgeon, Dr. Lorraine Day, formerly Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital. In it she reveals astonishing facts that expose the cover-up by medical and governmental agencies with regard to AIDS and the destructive lifestyle of the average homosexual.
codgerelle Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 12:38 PM
"How many people does sodomy directly kill compared to smoking, homicide, suicide, drinking, and traffic accidents?" Sodomy doesn't kill directly, but neither do smoking or drinking. However, the worldwide death toll for AIDS from the time that the original cases were observed in 1979 to the present surpasses 25,000,000, and many of these deaths were indirect effects of sodomy.
PatriotAfire Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 12:15 PM
I understand the angst you feel, but it doesn't help inform and educate. There have been homosexuals who have changed their lifestyle and now live happy married lives. It is the youth I am concerned about more than anything. They are being led into thinking that sodomy is just a "new" experience, but it is powerful in its addiction. I spoke with an older gay man recently and he told me honestly that once he realized that it was eroticism that held him to the lifestyle for years, he wanted to change. He said he had been celibate now for years, and felt that it was the right course for him to find himself.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:56 AM
"they were not reckless or unfaithful" - Probably not unfaithful such that you would be aware of it. But I'd bet that, for the most part, "they did not appear to be" would be more accurate than "they were not". I've seen some telling evidence of what passes for "faithful" among gays.
PatriotAfire Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:50 AM
I knew quite a few gays when I was in the entertainment world and they were not reckless or unfaithful. Some had been together for 20 years +. However, to your point, and to my earlier point, homosexual practices are addictive and seductive so, yes, there is a huge risk in getting more and more on the edge, seeking out higher erotic highs once you start. Especially today with the gay community becoming fiercely activist in demanding their so-called legal rights. Perhaps I should have used the word "some" instead of "many" when referring to the monogamous ones. I was not justifying the union, however, in any way. it is destructive to the body and to the soul.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:38 AM
"Many remain monogamous and faithful."

You have unwittingly swallowed one of the lies of the gay-rights movement. The reality behind the facade is that true monogamy & faithfulness is vanishingly rare, if not nonexistent, among homosexuals, especially males.
PatriotAfire Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:33 AM
Yes, the gay lifestyle attracts some aggressive personalities who use sodomy as an act of compulsive, self-inflicted cruelty. But the most important truth here is that such acts accelerate the disintegration of the soul’s sense of balance and wholeness. We have all seen such individuals ranting their obscenities and blasphemies at pro-life or anti-gay marriage rallies. They are the first ones to commit physical violence against the poor young man holding up his banner affirming marriage between a man and a woman. BUT, not all homosexuals live on the erotic, out of control edge. Many remain monogamous and faithful. However, it is a lifestyle that cannot bring true peace and happiness.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:24 AM
"now there's a trustworthy bunch" - As I've found for myself, far more trustworthy than typical gays with all their denial, dishonesty & keeping up of appearances.

"So DCM thinks homosexuals have formed some sort of cult just like the Moonies." - What did I say that even sounds like that?

"I am a gay man and I have never met anyone who has said they used to be gay but are no longer gay." - Really? I've known several. Maybe you need to get out more.
PatriotAfire Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:18 AM
You are rationalizing. Sodomy is not new because free will is not new. But up until this 21st century, sodomy has never been condoned in society or by any of the world's religions (which still don't). Sodomy is an abnormality both among animals and humans. That knowledge is written in the inner law of our hearts and conscience. Anal sex is neither a natural form of sex nor an alternative; it is a perversion. As such, it not only destroys the natural vigor of a man’s body but also siphons off the life force, or sacred fire, of his manhood. It is like the dying off of the soul’s maleness or Alpha flame. It is so much more difficult for them to find balance and wholeness.
James2517 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 10:50 AM
So DCM thinks homosexuals have formed some sort of cult just like the Moonies. I am a gay man and I have never met anyone who has said they used to be gay but are no longer gay. If anything, I know several older gay men who married 40 years ago or so because of peer pressure.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 9:56 AM
That's a fair point. So by that logic would sodomy merely be an effect and not a cause? So why focus on the act and not what causes it? I say this because so much of the debate gets reduced to sex acts and not what causes them.

As for the recklessness and promiscuity, what is the research behind this? Moreover, how strong is the causal relationship compared to other behaviors like drug abuse or alcoholism? Again, I think this is a matter of focusing on certain moral priorities.
Jim69 Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 9:52 AM
"...people who have left the lifestyle..."; now there's a trustworthy bunch.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 9:44 AM
It's not just that homosexuality involves sodomy. It's that it inherently leads to recklessness and promiscuity. Sure, people try to put a monogamous face on it, but people who have left the lifestyle have blown the whistle on that particular fakery.

I’m always on the hunt for positive news, there being such consistent media focus on the bad stuff. Most days, headlines essentially read, “Handbasket full; hell in sight.”

So a recent headline caught my eye because of its positive tone: “Survey: Big drop in those who say being gay’s a sin.” According to Lifeway Research, a division of Lifeway Christian Resources of the Southern Baptist Convention, significantly fewer Americans defined homosexual behavior as sinful in 2012 than in 2011.

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“A November 2012 survey of adults in the United States found 37 percent affirm a belief that homosexual...