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Do Something

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Apr 21, 2014 9:15 AM
I fully support efforts to reduce abortion that don't involve relying on the blunt force of government. The church is in a much better position to influence people on this issue. That said, it's not enough for the church to just say that abortion is wrong. I think most people, Christian and non-Christian alike, are aware of that message. There are proven measures that the church can take, the most important being education. Research has shown time and again that comprehensive sex education helps reduce both abortion and STDs. Just telling people it's wrong doesn't work and threatening people with Hell doesn't work. What does work is giving people both the knowledge and tools to make rational, moral decisions. That may mean the church has to re-evaluate its stance on issues like contraception, but they have to choose what they prefer. More abortions or more uncomfortable discussions.
There are many. Matthew 1 and Luke 3 both give conflicting genealogies for Joseph. The are texts that claim rabbits chew cud and that bats are birds. Matthew and Mark also give inconsistent timeframes for when Jesus rose from the grave. There's even conflicting accounts about the color of Jesus's robe during his trial. Most of the errors are minor and don't take away from the underlying message. But they do show clearly that these texts have some very human flaws.
Please read my post again. I had two different statements with two different meanings. One was said with humility. One was said with pride. I know what Romans says about God's judgment. My point here is that too many people think they know what God's judgment is and they rely on fallible ancient texts to prove their point, which I think is both irrational and demeaning to God. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
And it always amuses me, Andy, that someone can't see the inherent problem with taking the bible too literally and prescribing the values of ancient societies on a modern society like ours. You can call it whatever you want. But it is judgmental and hateful. You may not think it, but that's the impression you're sending to me and to everyone. You claim you take Jesus at his word. But you don't. You take the Jesus that provides you the most convenient excuses to never change your prejudices. Call it whatever you want. Live by it if you want. That doesn't make it right. But I believe that so long as you have love and compassion for your fellow man in your heart, God will forgive your transgressions. You're only human.
I will gladly stand before God and proclaim that I didn't use ancient books to justify bigotry against my fellow man. I would say with a smile that used the reason and compassion with which I was imbued to love my neighbors as Jesus commanded. I would say with the utmost humility that I was not perfect and I had my flaws. But I accept those flaws as part of being human. I would also say proudly that I didn't claim to know who God would send to Hell. That would be bearing false witness and speaking for God. I wouldn't want anyone else speaking for me either. So why would I do such a thing? I encourage you to open your bible and read Romans 2:1. As fallible a book it may be, it has some values I think you should heed. And Romans 2:1 is one of them.
1. That's all well and good, but that doesn't make it infallible or inerrant. That makes it the product of a human committee. Congress is a human committee of sorts as well. Would you argue that they deal with major issues in an infallible way? 2. Jesus was a Jew who followed Jewish tradition. But he didn't place God and the book on the same levels. 3. Yet the bible is given the same authority as God when it comes to making judgments on other human beings. How is that not worship on some level? 4. And nobody speaks those languages anymore. And as any linguist will tell you, language changes over time. The Greek spoken today is not the same Greek that was spoken 2,000 years ago. Just look at the difference between the English of today and the English of Shakespeare and that's just 500 years ago. 5. Non squiter. Don't you find it convenient that God only confounds those you don't agree with? 6. Both are fallible. Written is harder to change, but just look at modern history. There are still conflicting and bias accounts of the life of Elvis Prestley and L. Ron Hubbard. That's why using written words isn't much of an improvement over spoken words. 7. Same to you.
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We Are A Nation Of Narcissists

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Apr 17, 2014 11:36 AM
Well that shouldn't be too surprising. Criminals and deviant tend to think very highly of themselves last I checked.
God doesn't run a kingdom based on books written by fallible men either. God's word may not change, but the word of men changes on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. That's why people shouldn't worship books over God.
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We Are A Nation Of Narcissists

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Apr 17, 2014 8:50 AM
I don't think it's that big a problem that people openly share pictures and opinions online. Some are foolish and will come back to haunt those who post it, but that's where personal responsibility comes in. But narcissism is a problem and I don't think technology is the cause. I think Mr. Hunter needs to back a bit further. A few decades ago, we as a society decided to prop up everybody's self-esteem. I remember hearing all about the importance of self-esteem when I was in high school. We were all taught that high self-esteem is key to success. So is it any wonder that this has created a generation of narcissists? Narcissists think very highly of themselves and this has only been encouraged for years. Reality TV and unearned fame are not causes. They're symptoms. And this what happens when values like humility and understanding are not instilled.
"Professor Ehrman claims that they are forgeries only because he doesn't want to believe what they say." How do you know this? Do you know Professor Ehrman? Have you spoken to him? Or are you just making an assumption that gives you an excuse to not change what you believe? If truth matter to you at all, think carefully about the answers to these questions.
But surely God would understand that eyewitness testimony is not reliable. Ever play the game, Telephone, in school? That shows just how unreliable eyewitness testimony is. Try and think of it in terms of a court of law. If 50 eyewitnesses claim they saw John Doe steal a loaf of bread, but a security camera showed Jane Doe stealing that bread, who do you think the court will favor? Go to any magic show and you'll see how easy it is for your senses to be deceived. Go back to a time when most people were illiterate like the first and second century and imagine how much easier it would be. So is it really so reasonable to expect an all-powerful God to rely on something as flawed as eye-witness testimony and ancient texts?
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