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55,000,000 Lives Cut Short Since Roe v. Wade

HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:22 PM
Ms. Pavlich is doing the pro-choice crowd a big favor by using emotionally charged rhetoric. Saying that 55,000,000 lives were cut short by Roe v. Wade makes way too many assumptions, namely the assumption that abortion wasn't around before that case. It was and has been for most of human history. It makes no sense to keep throwing these numbers around because it only sends the message that the pro-life crowd isn't willing to have a serious debate about when human life begins. As long as that debate doesn't happen, nothing in the abortion debate will change.
katepatate Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:45 PM
And liberals never try to use emotionally charged rhetoric to get their agendas furthered. Case: Newtown murders and the liberals immediate pouncing on using children to get gun control. It doesn't matter if it is one or millions of babies murdered by abortion. It is still cruel and evil and is not the answer to anything.
Duke Nuk'em Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:39 PM
Is that any different than the tactics used by foaming at the mouth liberals?
Duke Nuk'em Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:39 PM
Is that any different than the tactics used by foaming at the mouth liberals?
G-Pa Chaz Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:28 PM
I don’t blame you Herald for not wanting to talk about the numbers. I’d be embarrassed too.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:27 PM
Besides, if you want to talk about "emotionally-charged rhetoric," you can find many targets on the other side.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:33 PM
I agree. Both sides use emotionally charged rhetoric. However, at one point one side needs to take the moral high ground and be the adult because that kind of rhetoric accomplishes nothing. It only reduces the debate the childish name calling.
eddie again Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:27 PM
it is a scientific fact that every human embryo is a complete and unique entity.

what does the people who favor keeping abortion legal say to that fact?

the science and the facts are on the side of those who want to outlaw legalized abortions.
eddie again Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:26 PM
it is a scientific fact that every human embryo is a complete and unique entity.

what does the people who favor keeping abortion legal say to that fact?

the science and the facts are on the side of those who want to outlaw legalized abortions.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:32 PM
It is not scientific fact that a human embryo is a human being. Science only says that an embryo is part of the human gestation process. When was this conclusion ever made? It is not logical to just assume it without reason. The very fact that there's a debate about it indicates that it isn't settled science and requires further research and discussion.
brimley Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:36 PM
It is not scientific fact that a human embryo is a human being.


what is it then?
G-Pa Chaz Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:37 PM
Herald is right. There are many cases of human conception resulting in the birth of dogs, cats, turnips, rocks; you name it. The human womb is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you’re gonna get.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:53 PM
It is not a scientific fact because it has never been indicated by conclusive research. At the moment, conception is merely a phase in gestation. It doesn't matter what conception results in. What matters is the point where an embryo goes from being an embryo to a human being. That is not settled. Every animal can create embryos during reproduction, but at what point do those embryos become individuals of their species? We don't know and science is still trying to figure this out.
eddie again Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:05 PM
what is the result of not aborting a human embryo?

answer: the birth of a human being.

is the human embryo a genetically unique being?

answer: yes.

can science definitively determine the species of a human embryo?

answer: yes.

why would anyone argue that a human embryo is not a singularly unique human being?

possible answers: they have participated in or paid for or advocated for or bullied a mother into the murder of this most innocent of human beings and are in denial or cannot face the guilt for their actions; or, they have never explored the facts surrounding abortion; or, their education has never critically examined the issue of abortion.
Mike2348 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:08 PM
You, Sir, are wrong. Whether it's through ignorance or intentional deception I connot tell. But it IS a medical scientific FACT that human life begins at conception. It is clearly identifyable as human through DNA coding, and it meets the medical scientific definition of living because it is growing, it is metabolizing, and it is developing toward a known end. It can also be determined that it is a uniquely individual entitey, in other words it is not a part of the mother. Go to your nearest Medical School and check the text books.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:25 PM
Of course abortion was around before Roe v. Wade. But rates SKYROCKETED after that.
katepatate Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:49 PM
I think what most of us really hate is the fact that we are forced to fund abortions. Don't say we don't. Planned Parenthood gets millions of tax dollars, says it doesn't use that money for abortions while it performs millions of abortions and brags about it. Who cares whether abortions were reported years ago? Now we have a government entity bragging about killing babies.

Today marks the 40th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision. Since that day, generations of Americans have been lost to abortion. The number of lives cut short? 55,000,000. In order to recognize the anniversary, The Susan B. Anthony list has released a powerful video featuring prominent pro-life leaders and abortion survivors to "reclaim the human center of the abortion debate." The entire thing is worth your time.

Although today marks a dark day in history, there is hope for the future. The youth in the pro-choice movement...