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Parting Company

Hard Thought Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 2:50 AM
The War of 1861-1865 was a war about the Union. Slavery was a side issue. The Emancipation Proclamation was not issue until late 1863 and freed NO slaves in the South. In the South, most people did not own slaves (look it up). There were black slave owners (again, look it up). Most slaves were owned by large, land owning families that resemble today's corporate farms. After the invention of the cotton gin provided a cheap, efficient alternative to cleaning cotton seeds out of the cotton bolls, slavery was on its' way to self destruction as it was no longer economically feasible. The North started "The War of Northen Agression" crushing the South economically and setting race relations back 150 years.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 1:41 PM
A few relatively minor quibbles:

1) It is not true that "Slavery was a side issue". It is certainly true that no war is ever really fought for just one reason and while Northern tariffs, economic disparities and even preservation of the union were major reasons for the war, so, too, was slavery.

2) While economics was slowly but surely bringing slavery to an end, Whitney's "gin" resulted initially in an INCREASE in slavery (new technologies often have unusual short-term effects) by simply altering the nature of slave work.

3) While the North arguably created the conditions that caused the war, no doubt exists that the first shots were Confederate guns in Charleston harbor.

4) The Emancipation Proclamation didn;t free salves...
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 1:42 PM
4) (corrected): The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free slaves in the North, either, only in states under Rebellion where it lacked force.
Texas Cuernos Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:10 AM
The EP was issued on New Year's Day of 1863. Do not issue critiques of others until you have your own facts straight.. (Look it up).
samplin Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 7:49 AM
The Emancipation Proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

It applied only to the ELEVEN states of the Confederacy. Slaves in the loyal border states of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were NOT freed. Hence no slaves were freed anywhere until the end of the war.

As you have said, "Look it up."

Hard Thought Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 2:51 AM
BTW, any complainers about these points need to remember that you are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

You need to look up the realities of the Civil War.
Lady Wolverine Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 3:01 AM
Yeppers, the Union army at Ft. Sumter fired on the city of Charleston, South Carolina for no reason at all and started the "War of Northern Aggression."

I just LOVE revisionist American History.
NewJAl Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 3:37 AM
Economic reasons were behind the War, and emotions played upon to justify it.
I agree with Hard Thought. But we have the advantage, having hindsight. I do not think Liberals have hindsight. Perhaps they believe re-written History as products of Progressive education, in true ignorance.
Tom26 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 7:04 AM
Fort Sumter was in South Carolina territory. Look at the map. They where asked to leave and did not. Their occupation of South Carolina was an act of war. I guess you where talking about your revision?
Walter1776 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 7:57 AM
Fort Sumter was a federal tax house in SC territory. Do you know how many were killed in the attack? None.
Seawolf Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:13 AM
Many call it "the late unpleasantness"....When a state is invaded by those of other states for excercising their constitutional right to secede, it certainly IS the war of northern aggression...I remember an article by Dr Williams many years ago where he said it wasn't a civil war, a civil war is two entities fighting over one gov't..we had our own and didn't much care for yours or who led it....kind of like today when you think about it.
Richard_B Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:29 AM
Yes the South lost and as a result State's Rights were lost. Who won?
Richard_B Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:30 AM
Yes the South lost and as a result State's Rights were lost. Who won?
mistermilo Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 5:08 PM
I referenced the Morrill Tariff above. Hard Thought is absolutely correct and you are speaking talking points that are for those who do not care to study the issue and come up with your own evidence. Spend a few minutes of your time and read the following:
OBAMA-DRAMA Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 10:56 PM
LW... the Ft. Sumter garrison was ordered not to fire back at Confederate forces that were shelling the site. Also.. there were no recorded casualties.
For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

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