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Happy Jake Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 7:49 AM
I'm reading a bible-study book that goes into the biblical history of salvation as recorded by the human authors of those books. Without going into boring detail, I will point out one noteworthy pattern: From the time of Abraham, the history of the Hebrew people (variously the Hebrews, the Israelites, and the Jews (from the tribe of Judah) depending on what point in history you are looking at) is littered with the same basic cycle of belief and idolatry. At times the Hebrews were faithful to God, and at times they weren't. When they became unfaithful, they began adopting the practices of the pagan religions in the region - Egypt, Canaan, Babylon, Assyria, Greece, etc. ...
ranma2 Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 7:54 AM
The pattern follows times of hardship and times of plenty.
We humans are ungrateful beings. when we have plenty, we forget God.
When we have hardship, we come back begging for help.

Right now, USA is still relatively plentiful.
Hence... it's the God-denial era.
Happy Jake Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 7:54 AM
... Such practices included child sacrifice; homosexuality, promiscuity, and other sexual immorality; greed; tyrany; usurpation of religious authority; and, of course, the open rejection of God and His scriptures. Certainly such attitudes didn't affect everyone, and there were the righteous among the wicked, but the wickedness eventually led to the destruction of ten of the twelve tribes of Israel.

So I ask the question: Where, in the cycle, are we today?
binc Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 8:28 AM
I think we're closing in on the end game.
Undoctrinator Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 3:24 PM
What's your position on those of us who don't subscribe to your religious beliefs? Do you want to use force of law to impose your Christian morals on the rest of us? Isn't that theocracy? Doesn't that annihilate freedom of conscience for the rest of us?

Did Jesus advocate imposing Christianity through political force? Or was it through individual conversion? Personal belief? Read your New Testament scripture for clues on that one. It's quite clear.
right to arm bears Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 5:06 PM
Just because you don't subscribe, doesn't exempt you from the judgment of God. You deny him in life, He denies you in death. That's how it works. BTW, death is in eternity, you choose Heaven with God, or Hell without Him. Choose wisely.
Undoctrinator Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 5:56 PM
Well, since there is no god, I'm not concerned with any of that. Besides, my understanding is that you have "faith" - belief - in god. Not certain knowledge. Right? That's the whole doubting Thomas thing. Blessed are those who 'BELIEVE' without seeing. If you claim certain knowledge, you're not operating on faith. So, I'll presume you have faith. Which means, not certain knowledge. I don't believe the Christian story. Not for a second. So your cryptic warning just doesn't resonate. It's like telling me that Batman is gonna get me.
Undoctrinator Wrote: Sep 12, 2012 5:57 PM
My question was different. And you didn't address it. Do you want to impose your Christian moral code through force of law? Theocracy. Or are you able to let those of us who utterly reject your beliefs to live by our own beliefs?
This week, writer-director Nick Cassavetes released his new movie, "Yellow," about a woman having an affair with her brother. "I have no experience with incest," says Cassavetes. "We started thinking about that. We had heard a few stories where brothers and sisters were completely, absolutely in love with one another. You know what? This whole movie is about judgment, and lack of it, and doing what you want."

But Cassavetes wasn't done: "Who gives a s--- if people judge you? I'm not saying this is an absolute, but in a way, if you're not having kids, who gives a damn? Love...