Gay Marriage Advocates Lose By Winning

You make a very good point, gw. The claim should not be that sexual orientation is a choice, but that anyone who chooses to go along with his/her orientation - if that orientation is wrong - is doing so voluntarily. That is the same argument we have against adultery or fornication: our sexual orientation is toward "desiring to have sex", but if it is with someone I am not married to, I have to resist my orientation. The Bible nowhere condemns orientation, only practice. And, of course, the Bible condemns all cruelty toward anyone, and demands love for all. The sad fact that many religious people used the Bible (incorrectly) to defend slavery should be seen in contrast to the abolitionists - mainly religious people - who fought against

slavery. I hope that an increasing number of Christians will - while standing ground on the Bible's prohibition of homosexual activity - vibrantly condemn harrassment or other cruelties toward any who practice it, and seek to find ways to show love and concern and respect for those individuals (not always easy because such is often rejected by the individual, but that's another topic).

slavery. I hope that an increasing number of Christians will - while standing ground on the Bible's prohibition of homosexual activity - vibrantly condemn harrassment or other cruelties toward any who practice it, and seek to find ways to show love and concern and respect for those individuals (not always easy because such is often rejected by the individual, but that's another topic).

slavery. I hope that an increasing number of Christians will - while standing ground on the Bible's prohibition of homosexual activity - vibrantly condemn harrassment or other cruelties toward any who practice it, and seek to find ways to show love and concern and respect for those individuals (not always easy because such is often rejected by the individual, but that's another topic).

The MEANEST people I've ever met are when you oppose a Gay! Where is that show love & concern toward others when they disagree with you! I'm VERY SERIOUS on this THESE GAYS ARE NASTY when you disagree with them! Never in my life have I meet such nasty people

Larry, that is so intellectually dishonest and disingenuous. One's sexual orientation ISN'T wrong. Especially because there are no victims, there is corresponding mutual attraction. And it's ONLY gender based. Since when is gender a matter of wrongful morality? Gay people, encouraged to channel their sexuality into monogamy, marriage and responsibility, do society just as much good because they are happier people for loving and being loved. It was ever thus for any human being. Making excuses to justify lifelong celibacy for gay people isn't healthy for THEM. Sexual repression never is.

con't: Biblical cultures aren't exactly the best example of social justice, scientific, technical, medical and psychological advances. Relegating gay people by force of govt', into something that is strictly religious OPINION, no other citizen is subject to, is what is wrong. Just because gay people are a minority more vulnerable to such cruelty, doesn't make it right and never will.

Disagreeing? This is hardly about disagreeing with gay people. Gay people are trying to overcome decades of dehumanization, exclusion from their families, denial of their talents in the workplace and discrimination, casual violence anywhere that threatens their lives and systemic bigotry where even getting a cake baked for a celebration turns into a nasty lesson in religious prejudice. The cruelty against gay people is deep, and unpredictable. You REALLY think gay people shouldn't be upset about it?
Especially when you call such unprovoked, insane viciousness against them 'disagreement'?

Larry, I don't think there is anything more cruel you could do to gay people than to gorge ourselves on the benefits of marriage and family, waste a lot of it, and then force gay people to STARVE for it and be forced to watch hetero people enjoy themselves at the expense of what's honest and true about the ethical treatment of others in it.
Hypocrisy is vicious and teaches nothing but dishonesty and wrongfulness. It's wrong to get fat, and starve someone for something that literally is unlimited bounty for everyone. Sharing marriage with gay people, doesn't hurt anyone at all.