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Wars To End War

gsw Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 3:48 PM
Stossel always takes a good argument and destroys it with sloppy logic and contradictions. First, soldiers don't fly helicopters just to burn gas. They fly helicopters so they can stay good at flying helicopters - get it. Time in the air for a pilot is never pointless. The more proficient they are the better. General Stossel should know that. Then he says he would not presume to suggest the "right" amount of spending then proceeds to do so - its too high. And not to disappoint ericynit entertains with his usual display of ignorance on everything in the world. He misstates the nature of "military imperalism" and its pitfalls - Rome survived as an imperalistic power for over 500 years and died from internal rot.
Buckeye4Constitution Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 4:32 PM
Yeah, you make no sense. The military DOES spend all that they get, usually in a flurry at the end of the fiscal year. People are sent on "training" conferences if there is TDY budget left over. 50+ inch flatscreens are bought and mounted in common areas to run powerpoint files showing when the summer picnic is or the next awards ceremony or who the employee of the month is. As for your comment about pilots, they are either current or not. If there isn't enough money to keep them current, their units go get more money to keep them current and maintain readiness. I know of plenty of examples of pilots burning holes in the sky in September to use all the money. Yeah, I work there.
gsw Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 8:14 PM
Uh Yeah - and you and Stossel call getting the extra money flying to burn up gas.. Also, you do not know what you are talking about. Pilot flying hours are not free and unlimited - there have been many times when pilots were delayed in currency flying due to budget restraints. My guess is that you are not an operational type, but an MWR civilian who like most civilians in government actively participate in wasting money given the examples you cite - typical GSA types You and bambi seem to think if anything cost money it isn't worth doing - how simplistically stupid!
BamaPaleocon91 Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 4:05 PM
Your first paragraph is muddled rambling, so, I'll ignore it. Your second paragraph seems to suggest that your just fine with America becoming another Roman Empire. If you remember, Rome started out as a Republic just like the United States did. Our Founding Fathers purposely BROKE A TREATY with France because they believed that honoring our treaty and being forced fight to help our allies was dangerous for our economic health. It costs money to station troops around the globe and bring them home in caskets. In case you had forgotten, we're going on $16 trillion in debt.
Troglodite Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 4:22 PM
Although Rome's wars and its expansion into an empire almost certainly had much to do with the collapse of the Republic, the precise mechanisms by which this happened are not directly applicable to the U.S.
And are you suggesting that we break treaties to save money? In the case of the French alliance, the Founders had the excuse that France had suffered a revolution and was run by crazies to whom we were not morally obliged by a treaty signed with King Louis.
Finally, MOST of the savings to try to get us out of our debt hole are going to have to be made domestically. Our own post-Revolutionary "peace dividend" left us miserably unprepared for war in 1812.
gsw Wrote: Aug 08, 2012 8:00 PM
You can ignore what ever you want. You probably didn't comprehend it anyway anymore than you got the second one right. ergo the gratuitous attempted insult. I said nothing about the US - lamebrain. What happened to Rome is historical fact . The US is not engaged in military imperialism and our debt is a consequence of rampant social spending You sound like a copy editor for Stossel and know as little as he does.
On his recent trip abroad, Mitt Romney observed an American taboo by not criticizing President Obama's military policy. But before his trip, he made his position clear. Obama has "exposed the military to cuts that no one can justify," Romney said.

He meant that unless Congress intervenes, Pentagon spending will be cut by more than $500 billion over 10 years under the (bipartisan) budget sequestration scheduled for January. This terrifies those who fear that limiting the growth of the military-industrial complex will leave us less safe.

But is that true? Even if $500 billion is actually cut, America still will spend...