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Gay-Marriage Talking Points: Why Do They Sound So Familiar?

GGG-Man Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 9:12 PM
It's about reinforcing the negative aspects whenever possible so that any compassion or understanding gets squashed immediately. Once we're stripped of our humanity and become something less, inhuman acts can be committed against us since we're no longer human ourselves. We're not your neighbors, we're vile perverts out to convert your children; we're not your coworkers or your friends, we're sex-crazed Godless evil creatures that need to be stopped; we're not your family, we're agents of Satan out to destroy America from within... Never forget that, for if you do, you'll be reminded harshly with vivid descriptions of our (imagined) lives.
SterCrazy Wrote: Jul 02, 2012 8:46 AM
Have you not also read that we are either SLAVES to unrighteousness or to righteousness. Slavery IS the general human condition, whether we recognize it or not
From Romans 6:
"16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey —whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 26, 2012 12:18 AM
No you don't. You read what you want to read. Just like you pick scriptures from the bible and use them out of context to discredit it. What's the point? So, you can errode the faith of others and eventually, you hope, undermine any faith that would condemn homosexuality. Most people involved other things that God condemn would not go to legnths you are going.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 26, 2012 12:06 AM
I read every word, Patriot. It is the same rationalizations I've heard from others. It is the weakest of arguments to claim that the all-powerful and moral God discarded his principles and simply made convenient regulations for slavery even though he really rejected the idea.
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:56 PM
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:56 PM
You read a word that I said did you? God never condoned slavery. He didn't like divorce either yet made provisions for it because man became so hardheaded and hardhearted just as Jesus had described. So he made laws concerning divorce yet never really liked that the idea of it either.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:49 PM
The fact that you can sit there and rationalize slavery as OK by any measure shows a serious level of moral confusion. Human beings as property is a reprehensible concept, regardless if they weren't beaten daily. And the passage is clear: one may beat his slave, so long as he can recover in a day. The fact that gays are an "abomination", yet owning humans as property (as clear a violation of individual rights as any) is OK, shows the moral confusion in your Holy Book.
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:40 PM
God never condoned the cruel treatment of servants or slaves like you or others who are constantly trying to find ways to descredit the bible, WANT to believe. He knew that slaver existed never condoned it and made laws to protect slaves from in-humane treatment. You just want to believe God would do this in order to errode the faith of others.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:33 PM
Regardless, Patriot, God condoned slavery. The passages and your rationalizations bear this out.

As for the Jews, well that's the perks of being God's chosen, huh? "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others".
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:22 PM
Slaves were a spoil of war, sort of like POWs. Also during that time and long afterwards people sold themselves into slaver during hard times. Their were alot of them, particularly when the Israelites were hardheaded and wouldn't listen to reason, God gave them over to their enemies. Laws were made to protect slaves just as they were in the New Testament.

Was God happy with the 400 year enslavement of the Jews in Egypt?
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:14 PM
So Exodus 21:16 overrules all of the proceeds after?

Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."

Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly"
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 11:04 PM
Oh, nawlins72, He probably figured that since He declared it an abomination for a man to lay with another man, we would have the common sense to figure it would be just as evil for women to do the same with other women. Well, people that are actually living please Him would figure this out. Yet, we always have those that are seeking to do otherwise and are constantly trying to find fault with His teachings. They would be the one's who would reason "so God made it a priority to specify what foods to eat and the types of fabrics one can wear, AND that gay men are an abomination, but lesbians just slipped his mind?"
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 10:53 PM
Read the first couple of chapters of Romans.
Read Exodus 21:16
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 10:45 PM
Patriot, so God made it a priority to specify what foods to eat and the types of fabrics one can wear, AND that gay men are an abomination, but lesbians just slipped his mind? This is as bad as the apologetics for God condoning slavery.
Patriot155 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 10:29 PM
If you think so. You know, they don't mention that swallowing drain cleaner is bad for you either, but I'm sure that it will jack you up if you do it. The bible doesn't specifically say alot of things but that wouldn't matter to those who are just out to discredit or disprove it. Even if you show them proof they would continue to argue with you.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 10:09 PM
But notice, GGG, it's gay men that they perceive when speaking of homosexuality. Where do you think this conception of homosexuality derives? The Bible. There is No mention of lesbians in the Bible and the "perversion" is sodomy. All the talk of diseases falls apart if they bring lesbians into the discussion.
SonofTinsldr2 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 9:55 PM

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." (Proverbs 14:12)

American conservatives have borne the brunt of several gut punches in the last few weeks over the issue of legalizing so-called homosexual marriage.

First, country singer Carrie Underwood -- whose fan base includes large numbers of political conservatives and evangelical Christians -- revealed that the church she attends is gay-friendly, adding: "As a married person myself, I don't know what it's like to be told I can't marry somebody I love, and want to marry. ... I definitely think...