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I can accept that in a war some good people will die. What I cannot accept is an administration so incompetent that it can't even protect it's own ambassador and security personnel. There were repeated requests for additional security. None was granted. The consulate was not up to normal security standards. There were requests for aid and backup during the attack. None was ever given. The problem is that these deaths were preventable, especially the deaths of the two soldiers who went in to help rescue those at the consulate. This went on for hours and no one in any position of leadership acted to stop it or aid those in harm's way. That kind of incompetence deserves to be punished. If they are that seriously incompetent they will only continue to make mistakes which put others in harm's way.
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Racism Card Looking a Little Dog-Eared

get real4 Wrote: Aug 16, 2013 7:42 AM
Darby - That is basically what the decision says. It doesn't end S+F. It basically requires training to make sure that "suspicious" doesn't mean "race". I don't know how effective or necessary the training is, but it doesn't prevent an officer who suspects a crime is being committed from stopping that individual and frisking them if they believe that the individual may have a weapon.
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Racism Card Looking a Little Dog-Eared

get real4 Wrote: Aug 16, 2013 7:39 AM
It is definitely NOT 4 million a year. The 4 million figure cited in the decision is over a period of many years. I believe it is the total number since around 1995, but I don't remember the exact time frame.
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Racism Card Looking a Little Dog-Eared

get real4 Wrote: Aug 16, 2013 7:36 AM
You could argue that it is an unnecessary and expensive procedure. I could also see an argument that the judge was wrong in ruling that the NYPD had violated the 4th or 14th amendment. But the decision itself does not end stop and frisk so the arguments predicting chaos and return to violence because officers can no longer stop and frisk just seem unfounded and unnecessary.
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Racism Card Looking a Little Dog-Eared

get real4 Wrote: Aug 16, 2013 7:34 AM
I'm not sure what everyone is so upset about with this decision. It doesn't put an end to stop-and-frisk nor could it given Supreme Court decisions. It basically requires the NYPD to change their training procedures to ensure that police officers are correctly trained on what is a legal stop and under what circumstances they can frisk a person that they have stopped.
The situation you described is not prohibited by this ruling. There was clearly a reasonable suspicion based on this man's behavior that this man was trying to commit a crime. What this ruling prevents is cops from randomly stopping an individual on the street for no reason other than the individual was on the street. If, after observation, it appears that the individual is behaving in a manner which raises suspicion, the police can still stop that person and frisk them.
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A Plan B -- For Sexual Predators

get real4 Wrote: Jun 12, 2013 12:51 PM
sorry meant to say anti-conceptive
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A Plan B -- For Sexual Predators

get real4 Wrote: Jun 12, 2013 12:37 PM
I had the exact same thought. i am not in favor of allowing minors access to medication like this without parental consent. However, plan B works in the same manner as other anti-contraceptive drugs. By hyperventilating with misleading accusations and assumptions, it undermines credibility in other arguments relating to the pro-life cause. The argument should focus on the inappropriateness of allowing a minor access to drugs without parental consent and the message this will send to youth.
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CBS Anchorman's Clueless Apology

get real4 Wrote: May 30, 2013 10:35 AM
It is not irrelevant to the low-information voter. There are many people who only get their news from the local news stations and then think that they are informed. The MSM is irrelevant to those who actually want to find the truth, but to the lazy low-information voter, the MSM is still very relevant.
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Gas Myths

get real4 Wrote: May 29, 2013 11:07 AM
I really don't care if a company makes big profits if it is done legally. So, unless I hear of some illegal activity, I have no reason to be upset with the Oil profits. However, I also feel no need to be "grateful" to a company making billions of dollars. I'm paying them for a product, just like any other product. It is also childish and counterproductive to tell people to shut up about oil prices. We SHOULD be complaining about oil prices to try and change our government's policy which could lower the price of gasoline.
Not sure what point your trying to make, but Romney actually did come out against Obamacare when it was being passed.
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