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'Fiscal' Conservatism Needs 'Social' Conservatism

Gerald230 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:10 PM
Dennis is correct in dividing conservatives into two camps. However, he fails to appreciate that the problem is that the SOCIAL conservatism has no definition. We lost the last election primarily because the most committed social conservatives have faith in the truth of beliefs taught by their clergy, i.e. abortion is murder. Clearly this strong belief of a minority of females turned the vast majority of women against the GOP on the fear that they would be forced to bear the child of their rapist. All the faith held beliefs split the social conservatives and doom the GOP. The Swiss recognize that the two party system is doomed as long as the religious are in one of the parties. People having faith held beliefs cannot compromise.
Wayne410 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:27 PM
How silly can you get?!?! The strong belief of a minority of females turned the vast majority of women against the GOP?? That's just ludicrous on the face of it. Women are people too and people in general don't ever expect to be victims, either of rape or murder. Whether a woman should be allowed to abort a rapists child was totally irrelevant to the election. What was relevant was the scaremongering amoung a few liberal progressives who not only preached thier message louder and longer than other groups but actually dove into the process and actively recruited votes. Conservatives can learn a lot about political activism from liberals.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:28 PM
The women who voted for Obama were in general unmarried women who want inexpensive sex without consequences. Married women in general did not vote for Obama.
I have no clergy. Abortion is homicide. Murder is a legal term, so abortion can rightly be called legalized murder. I rather doubt that the vast majority of women are convinced that they are destined to be victims of rape.
Gerald230 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:26 PM
The communists also cannot compromise. The Swiss have a 5 party system with the religious on on far right party and the communist on the far left. The three central parties negotiate and come ups with a plank that most people approve and they get get to set polich. The other parties also ge to express their views at the highest legislative law making congress.

The Swiss is the only system that will work to give the social conservatives a say but protect the balance of the fiscal conservatives..
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:19 PM
Abortion is murder - it has nothing to do with clergy-taught beliefs as you imply. This is a matter of fact: Genetics has proven that at the point of conception, new, unique DNA is formed within the newly fertilized egg. Biology has proven that this fertilized egg possesses all the necessary traits to be considered a living, individual organism. As this living organism possesses unique human DNA, it can be nothing other than a human being. Thusly, conception is the only logical point of creation - which is when Americans believe the God-given (inalienable) rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are invested within a person. Additionally, abortion runs contrary to the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:39 PM
Anominus, you are 100% correct. You would be at least 1000% correct if that were possible.
Anominus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:57 PM
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 5:10 PM
As a special favor, you can just call me Earl. That's supposed to be funny, if you're in doubt.
Wayne410 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:35 PM
Finally, somebody who understands procreation! Biologists for the last century or so have been telling us that a fetus goes through stages such as the fish stage, then reptile stage, etc., and yet there has never been any creature ever born of a human woman other than a human child. From the moment of conception that tiny life could never develop into anything other than human. That 50+ million of them have been murdered in the name of convenience is an outrageously damning indictment of the moral fabric of our society today. Worse yet is that the next 40 years may see twice that many murdered. How can any nation say, "In God We Trust" and murder babies?
rmccarthy Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:47 PM
It's a repeat of's all in the Bible.
For some years now, we have been told about a major division within American conservatism: fiscal conservatives vs. social conservatives.

This division is hurting conservatism and hurting America -- because the survival of American values depends on both fiscal and social conservatism. Furthermore, the division is logically and morally untenable. A conservative conserves all American values, not just economic ones.

By "social conservatism," I am referring to the second and third components of what I call the American Trinity -- liberty, "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum."

It is worth noting that a similar bifurcation does not exist on the left. One...

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