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Torture Helped Get Bin Laden?

George257 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:53 PM
If you choose to aid and abet Al qaeda or any other terrorists, you should not expect human rights. If you are a terrorist, you are barely human. (Although that does not nmean you are an animal. Even animals have standards. They only kill out of necessity.) There are consequences to our actions. To pretend otherwise is the act of a liberal. The job of the CIA is to win the war on terror. It is not their concern to consider their human rights.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:56 PM
The CIAs mission is to gather intelligence and conduct operations within its charter and the law.
George257 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 2:28 PM
The fight against terrorism is not a baseball match. The objective is not to play by any rules. It is not to be even handed and give both sides an even chance of winning. The objective is to catch the terrorists and kill them. It is not a game. The objective is not to draw, it is to win.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 3:54 PM
Unfortunately, we are a civilized people governed by laws, not the whims of the bloodthirsty savage. Accordingly, we must obey the rules that exist or we are no different from those we fight. It is perfectly legal to send a drone overhead and kill them.
George257 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 5:06 PM
Wars are not civilised either. They should be fought only as an absolutely last resort.

The first resort is to make our civilisation safe. After that, we can become civilised again.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 5:54 PM
Uhm, no. It doesn't work that way. Civilization cannot be safe or be saved by the uncivilized.
AZYaateeh Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:25 PM
You'd better tell the Romans and the Chinese that they weren't civilized, because they had refinements of torture the Apaches could only dream of.

Waterboarding is not torture according to several international courts—notably an EU court ruling on the UK's use of it against the IRA. And don't cite the Japanese in World War II, because that wasn't waterboarding, they were forcing those people to drink large amounts of water.

"Zero Dark Thirty," the film about the hunt for and killing of Osama bin Laden, got a fresh infusion of buzz over the weekend when outgoing Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta confirmed again that enhanced interrogation techniques aided the effort to find bin Laden.

"Some of it came from ... interrogation tactics that were used," he said. "But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that. I think we could have gotten bin Laden without that."

In other words, the movie exaggerates the role played by enhanced interrogation techniques -- torture to...