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Dr. Ben Carson on America’s Education Challenge

GaryL1 Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 4:03 PM
I wish that the schools would consider the "uniqueness of each child". There are many children would would be outstanding in a skilled trade, but are told that they must go to college (4 year degree minimum implied) in order to succeed. They have no exposure to vocational skills in school and are given no choice but college-prep courses. High schools have eliminated vocational courses, and so a large segment of the students are not served. General education should end by about 9th grade, then there should be a choice of different paths to follow. It makes no sence to keep a student who would be a brillient mechanic (we need more brillient mechanics with how complicated vehicles are now) in a course of study that will only hold him back.
James92 Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 8:14 PM
I had the good fortune to graduate from High School in 1956. As stated here, it was from a Vovational Program as a Machinist and Draftsman. Had several job offers and a apprenticeship offer as a jounmeyman machinist. This was an excellent background for my chosen field as an aircraft engine and airframe mechanic. Got the basics for that by serving in the U.S. Air Force for 5 years. I attended night classes during those years. Went to work for an airline after completing a Master Airframe and Engine course on my own dime. Then eventually went to a University ( again at night ) and eventually moved up in supervisoty and management positions. So, I didn't get a masters degree or Doctoate but still had a great working life!
dahni Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 8:39 PM
James: You are the model we need to follow. A lot more students would enjoy learning stuff that they see a use for immediately.
Carl265 Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 11:08 PM
James: You and I are the same edge and i guess followed the same work path.
I entered Junior College in 56 with returning Korean Vets and I was overwhelmed by the maturity I was surrounded by.
Joined the Navy with the hope of Submarine Service. Bonus was Adm. Rickover was looking for a few that could learn Nuclear Power and operate his New Nuclear Submarine Fleet. By the grace of God and a few really great mentors I graduated and got a great education in the process. I was able to work at some really great jobs until I decided to open my own business in 95. Things were great until the progressives in congress took control. I am closing my business this year and my last employee will depart Nov 2nd. I had a good run but my grandchildren are
Carl265 Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 11:13 PM
in for a rough ride. I worked for Bush Senior and he was a fair man and I expected more from GWII. The problem is Education and a PhD will not fix anything. In my HVAC business I have several PhD customers and they have trouble pouring wine out of thier gucchi's.
Enough Said.
One for All Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 5:45 PM
Now the only thing kids do with their hands is connected to a game. Once upon a time nearly every high school had a vocational training section. Maybe you were not going to be a carpenter but, the exposure to working with your hands and the training on how to operate machinery was an excellent base to start. Reading schematics, planning what to build, what materials were nessecary, and crafting the item were important lessons that go beyond making a bird house. And for those that think operating a lathe is easy and doesn't require math pick up machinist's guide sometime.
same10 Wrote: Oct 29, 2012 6:24 PM
And where would a machinist's guide be?
One once served an apprentice program for that. Now, there are none. It doesn't matter as, there are no jobs, at least not yet.
Might find one at a swap meet!!! Like a slide rule.

In the midst of the third presidential debate in Florida, which was supposedly about foreign policy, President Obama interjected a few words about American education.

The rationale was not unreasonable. A better educated America will be a better performing and more internationally competitive America.

“Let’s talk about what we need to compete….let’s take an example that we know is going to make a difference, and that’s our education policy,” said the president.

Unfortunately, as is so often the case with what we hear from politicians, what we hear sounds so logical, so compelling. If only it had anything to...