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Fighting Crime with a Vodka Bottle in Place of a Gun

gary395 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 12:56 PM
on Feinstein gun bill, all law abiding gun owners has to furnish ID & photo, OK, when the non-justice department took over 1,800 assault weapons to Mexico, did the thugs of the drug cartels & the al-Qaida, have to show their ID & photo to the ATF ?
Stuart46 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:51 PM
Actually ovomit forced the dealers to sell the guns against the dealers objections. Then ovomit turned around and accused the dealers of selling guns illegally. It was a lose,lose proposition for the dealers.
gary395 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 1:02 PM
also why wasn't tracers or trackers placed on all the assault weapons that went to Mexico, if this was done ALL the assault weapons would have been recovered.
ReddestNeck Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 1:06 PM
The easiest conclusion is that this wasn't MEANT to work as a sting.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:16 PM
tracker chips were tried during Bush's Operation Gunrunner,and was fond to NOT work,and after the loss of around a dozen guns,Operation Gunrunner was canceled.

OTOH,under Comrade Obama's Fast and Furious program,F-Troop (ATF) lost over 2000 guns,and DIDN'T stop until a whistleblower made it public. then they went into full denial mode,all the way up to claiming Executive Privilege to keep from having to release records.
So that it would not show Comrade Obama's direct knowledge and initiation of the operation.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:20 PM
NO manner of tracking the guns,and Mexico unaware of the operation.
a "loss" of over 2000 guns. Not canceled until exposed by whistleblower.
No,certainly not intended for legit law enforcement.

OTOH,Bush's Operation Gunrunner had tracking chips in the guns,and Mexico was working WITH F-Troop. And it was canceled after the loss of around 12 guns.
Stuart46 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:53 PM
It is not posssible to put a tracker on the weapons without the cartels finding them.
Tionico Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 5:50 PM
Didn't you read THE REST OF THE STORY? The present administration is helping the "good boys" of the Sinaloa Cartel to overrun all the other cartels in Mexico... thus F&F was conceived and executed to arm them better for this purpose. In return, the Sinaloa boys were to help our DC Heroes by makiing sure plenty of F&F guns, purchased at US retailers, would be "dropped" at crime scenes, picked up by the Federales, submitted to BATF for tracing, and packing the numbers to "justify" the "need" to ban guns for all we law abiding Gringos.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 7:39 PM
F&F was conceived to flood Mexico with US guns,and then to use that data to push for a new "assault weapons ban" in the US.
It's not to arm Mexican cartels.
Druggies and other gun armed criminals ordinarily leave their guns behind at crime scenes because they don't want to be caught with a gun,that adds to their sentence.

It happens probably nightly. A citizen fights off a criminal in order to protect his property. But it doesn't always make the nightly news. In this case it did.   


How much easier and safer would have been this takedown of a punk in New York City if the clerk had been equipped with a hand gun rather than just a vodka bottle?  How much less of a burden to the taxpayer too, who will now have to incarcerate the criminal?

And just think of chilling effect it would have on criminals if shootings of miscreants during crimes like this were on the nightly...