sorry cyber this is where I got my info but still seems that even line by line it says something about the bill and it's unsavory character. the site below is who I am sighting from just took me a minuet to find it so check out site

check this out. http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-heal thacre-bill.html

cyber I think either the market works and people say look you insurance guys you are a business selling us a service and if you don't straighten up you will lose our business/fail unlike the big banks. or if gov has to step in it should not be a complete take over of health care, they should fix only what is broken and repubs sounded like they had good ideas such as buying insurance across state lines so more competition, tort reform, banning insurances bad practices like pre existing condition thing these might be some solutions better than takeover and no choice

we must remember the world we want to emulate gave us these things Russia death and destruction, Germany Jewish exterminations hitler didn't like them
Chinese communists who killed millions, is that the world we want to idolize and follow

how about lets say Che Guevara's world where he killed many of his own people personally some say

or how about Korea that killed so many of our people in bloody battles while we fought to keep people free and even today they carry some threat to peace if we don't watch
Japanese who attacked pearl harbor because they wanted more land and resources and other reasons and did not stop killing and expanding until the bomb was dropped. or maybe we should emulate Iran who kills their...

kenny thats ok I understand and have run into that myself and was only trying to impart some info that I had come across but I do know what you mean. hope we can have some good conversations coming up. have a good day g

here is another good one by a man who lived it, try this book Gulag Archipelago by aleksandr Solzhenitsyn think that how you spell it eye opener about just what freedom is and isn't

sorry for double posts just getting used to how this works, guess it takes awhile for things to show up.

here are some truths we now have a shortage of doctors and nurses,if bill passes many docs who can retire say they will,others will quit,it takes at least 8 years to graduate a competent doc. nurse practitioners while good are not doctors, right now medicare gives docs such a low fee that many already refuse to see medicare and medicaid welfare patients, so all says to me rationing.

well here is something of interest

http://socialjustice.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/index.php/James_an d_Marxism

and I saw somewhere that stupak was duped obama didn't sign the executive order when he signed the bill wonder why that was?

pg 149 lines 16-24 any employer with payroll of 400K and above who doesn't provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 22 mandates gov audit of books of all employers that self insure
pg 30 sec 123 gov committee that decides what treatment benefits you get what treatments
pg 29 lines 4-16 health care rationed
pg 42 health choices commissioner will choose your health benefits for you no choice
pg 50 sec 152 HC will be provided to all non US citizens illegal or otherwise
pg 58 gov will have real time access to individuals finances and a national ID health card issued
more from health care bill they've been trying to pass

thanks, but the reason I mentioned letting them know we were not going to forget what they did,is cause this is exactly what they want for you to do, settle down and forget what they have done, while they move on. If you keep them on notice that you will not forget what they have done and they will not just automatically get a pass for bad behavior, it lets them know the issue is not going to be swept under the rug,that you remember what they did. I have heard some of them say oh if we just give them jobs they will be happy and it won't matter about the health care,they will come around and like it. In their mind you forget what they did so they figure yes indeed we gave the job and they like health care now so all is good. we need to...