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Losing Patience With the New Pope

Frank156 Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:32 PM
She's right. Birth control should be a non issue. The church needs to step into the modern age in regards to some issues
badgerpat Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:18 PM
No, Frank, she's not right. Truth is truth, and it doesn't change.
pascagoulapappy Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:47 PM
"step into the modern age"---do you mean adopt, or pretend to adopt, the values of the secular ethos?

"Be ye not conformed ...be ye transformed . . ."
jkimbrell236 Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:59 PM
Why should non-Catholics be concerned about what the Catholic Church believes? They don't have to join it. They should just mind their own business.

The same people that condemn Catholics are usually tolerant and understanding about anything Muslim.
IvanKaramazov Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:50 PM
And they should change their position on abortion, I assume as well? FYI, the church also opposes unjustified war and the death penalty. Maybe if the church agreed to abortion, they should also agreed to war and execution of criminals? The church views it all as killing...or do you want to be able to pick and choose? Apparently so....talk about hypocritical...geesh.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:00 PM
Unfortunately, there's about 1900 years of history what would suggest the church is okay with some killing.
Wayne from the Hoosier state Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:20 PM
I agree, Kimbery. Tens of millions were killed who would not bow the knee to Rome. God does not have an organized church system...man has that.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:40 PM
The notion of a la carte religion is absurd. Ignoring anything in the Book that's inconvenient sort of undermines the whole thing. Even more absurd I've found that if you press most religious people they don't even know very much about their own religions. Like it or not religion is on the way out.
Frank156 Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:46 PM
People AND religions ignore stuff all the time.
JustMC Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:48 PM
It has already been mentioned that Catholicism picks selectively from the Bible, choosing its own convictions over the Bible every time those are in conflict. Further, most of Christianity employs the Bible, so how are there any differences in Christian sects if "a la carte" religion is absurd? And for laughs, which version do you follow?
ericynot Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:54 PM
MC, you just put your finger on one of the biggest reasons religion in general is absurd.
JustMC Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:58 PM
Yes. And I am still remarkably civil to you, despite your despicable strawman about crosswalks down below. You should be ashamed of such intellectual dishonesty if you want anyone to take any sensible comment seriously.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:58 PM
The "bible" wasn't even put together until 3 centuries after the events. The first books of what became the bible weren't even written down until decades after the events. The earliest legitimate claims for Paul don't go earlier than 55 ad. Then you throw in the fact that what was written down was written down from an oral history that was translated and retranslated so much that the gospels can't even agree on who found the tomb empty... the whole thing is absurd. I'm Catholic technically as I converted for my wife when we got married but I don't practice. I consider myself to be a deist.
JustMC Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:03 PM
Doesn't that make you another 'a-la carte' type? Scratches head...

Or are you simply saying that anyone who wants to call himself a Catholic, a this, a that, needs to follow the doctrine of the label to the letter? Which I get, but there isn't even the consistency within most labels to do that.
ericynot Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:03 PM
MC, I was just kidding around. No offense was intended.
JustMC Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:06 PM
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:08 PM
No... i'm a deist. The a la carte business and the shady origins of the text are what drove me out of the religion.
ericynot Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:17 PM
Kimbery, the problem with the Bible is that it is so full of contradictions that one HAS to be a-la-carte. You can't take advice to slaughter your enemies at the same time you're taking advice to turn the other cheek. Something, philosophically speaking, has to give.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:23 PM
Well there's no slaughter in the new testament. The morons at nicea just decided to lump the old testament in with the new and saddled the faith with a lot of nonsense.
Wayne from the Hoosier state Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 2:02 PM
Kimbery, "The whole thing is NOT absurd". God chose man. That is a risky thing, but God knew that and all things from the beginning.
Yes, you can find details of accounts that disagree with each other in the Bible. If that is your obsession, you will likely falter there. Within the Bible is God's plan to redeem fallen man. Drink that freely and He will give you a new heart and a new spirit to change from a critic to a son or daughter of God with His Life in you.
Wayne from the Hoosier state Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 2:07 PM
Yes, Kimbery, The council at Nicea went with the more popular multi God thing rather than staying with the truth that He is one God and is revealed IN FULL in Jesus Christ...all power in heaven and earth, Alpha and Omega, the Almighty, the Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, the Mighty Jehovah poured and channeled into Jesus Christ.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 2:08 PM
If he knew all things from the beginning he willingly created a world where 66% of the people are condemned to hell at birth just for being born into the wrong culture... If that's true God is completely immoral. Not to mention the absurd notion of hell. Nothing a human can do in a human lifetime could deserve an eternal punishment. That's like setting your kid on fire for being late to dinner.
Timothy32 Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:08 PM
Kimberley Thebooks of the Bible Were letters Written to churches for there authors. The tora had been written down for many centuries by the time christ came. Learn before writting.
Timothy32 Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:13 PM
If you learn how God took judgement at the time before christ came.you would know, even today god blessing can be removed from you if you choose not to follow him. Then you are in the ways of man and satan. Death, destruction. We live in a fallen world. I see no contradiction in the bible if you spend time in the text and learn what is being described you might be suprised that often what is described is mans evil tward one another and how to avoid that.
Wayne from the Hoosier state Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:17 PM
Kimbery, I believe that an eternal hell is a wrong belief. I believe that hell is the jail for 'bad' people. One day they will get their trial before God. The ones who are judged unworthy of life will be cast into the Lake of Fire. There is a 7500 mile pit of fire right under us now. I do not believe those will suffer eternally. They would have to have eternal life 'to suffer eternally'.
Since God knows all things from before the beginning, He is capable of fashioning a plan that is just. I do look for some fairly innocent souls getting a life sentence rather than a death sentence....give a perfect One some credit please.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:48 PM
The Gospels were not written down by the apostles. Anyone who says otherwise is completely ignorant of the facts.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:49 PM
I do give him credit. That's why I cannot believe he's involved with the Bible or man's religions.
Wayne from the Hoosier state Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 4:05 PM
I don't believe that He is involved with man's religions. He is involved with spiritual matters...not religion per se.

Even God desired something more than being with Himself and His thoughts.....someone and something to give joy to and see them respond to that love.
Kimbery Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 12:39 PM
The notion of a la carte religion is absurd. Ignoring anything in the Book that's inconvenient sort of undermines the whole thing. Even more absurd I've found that if you press most religious people they don't even know very much about their own religions. Like it or not religion is on the way out.
Bill1895 Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 1:46 PM
NAZI Germany, Russia under Stalin, China under Mao: no religion.
JustMC Wrote: Mar 20, 2013 3:32 PM
Not "no religion" but rather no religion other than the mandatory religion of the state. While it took a different form than what most people call "religions" it was the same thing as any religion that has ever been IMPOSED by FORCE.
Many millions of Catholics around the world were joyous with the naming of a new pope -- a holy man from the Third World no less. Even in choosing his name, Pope Francis is emphasizing a devotion to the poor, and humility in his clothing and manners.

The liberal media should be lapping this up. There was an accurate recounting of the global rejoicing, especially in Argentina. There were hopeful words about his pastoral modesty. But as the day came for the pope to be installed, the natural secular liberal nastiness toward the oldest Christian faith bubbled up in demands for "tolerance"...