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Strangulation by Union

FletchforFreedom Wrote: Sep 26, 2012 2:25 PM
So, again, when faced with the aggregated research (that bears Stossel out completely), we are expected to believe that he is wrong and the unions are right because of a single example that suffers from the classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy? Be serious!
everyonesfacts4usall Wrote: Sep 27, 2012 5:45 AM
Fletch, the report is the best we have. If you have a better study of reports comparing union v. non-union results in like schools. Please share it. You seem to be keeping it a secret.

I never said national rates don't matter, I said compare rates of teachers to people in Chicago of the same income level for a better comparison.

Please cite #s for the decline.

You could be called bluster4usall. You talk a lot but prove nothing.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Sep 26, 2012 8:38 PM
Had you an intellect, you might have noticed that the choices were all inclusive (though not mutually exclusive as your latest missive demonstrates. It is NOT the best report we have; it does NOT support your position in any way (as did not the report that supposedly demonstrated that private schools only do better by taking the cream or the laughable Chicago Teacher' "study", or the imbecilic claim that the national figures on participation rates don;t matter - only the Chicgo rates.

NO ONE is stupid enough to fall for the completely disconnected from reality lie that there has been no decline (when it is WELL documented).

You have chosen option C - but it is ALL of the above.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
everyonesfacts4usall Wrote: Sep 26, 2012 8:11 PM
It's C. None of the Above.

It is the best report we have.
I do not see anything wrong in the report.


There has been no decline over the 50 years.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Sep 26, 2012 3:52 PM
You seem to get some really perverse pleasure out of demonstrating either blatant dishonesty or academic ignorance by linking to studies that are universally non sequiturs, not only not undermining ANY of the points being made to you, but NEVER supporting your own. The negligible difference between union vs. pre-union eductaion quality a half century ago has no bearing on the well-documented and substantial decline that has followed.

So, again, which is it: dishonesty or stupidity?
everyonesfacts4usall Wrote: Sep 26, 2012 2:44 PM
Aggrated research shows that on average union teachers are probably a little bit better:

http://nepc.colorado.edu/files/Chapter10-Carini-Final.pdf
everyonesfacts4usall Wrote: Sep 26, 2012 2:44 PM
Aggrated research shows that on average union teachers are probably a little bit better:

http://nepc.colorado.edu/files/Chapter10-Carini-Final.pdf

The Chicago teachers strike is over, but the public didn't win. Schools will still transfer bad teachers to other schools because it's nearly impossible to fire them. When bad teachers go from school to school, principals call it "the dance of the lemons." It would be funny if those teachers didn't slowly wreck children's lives.

The basic issue is: Who decides how to manage a workplace? Unions say it's good that they protect American workers from arbitrary dismissal and make sure everyone is treated equally.

But it's not good.

Rules that "protect" government workers from arbitrary dismissal and require everyone...

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