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Self-Proclaimed Union Thug Vinny Castaldo Wants to Beat Me Up

FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:04 AM
Vinny, like most morons drinking the union Kool-Aid think anyone with the sense not to buy into the union BS wants to "still (sic) money from people who work for a living". They haven't the brains to recognize that that is exactly what unions do: taking money from other working people, destroying jobs and undermining the economy. They are so stupid, they actually believe that, absent unions, companies would have paid "starvation wages" (of course anyone with even the most tenuous grasp of economics knows otherwise). And point out actual history that shows the fastest and greatest improvement in compensation and working conditions happened where unions were ABSENT and they simply soil themselves (rather than accept reality). Tragic.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:17 AM
I think companies will pay the least amount that they can get by with. So the real question is why are you so scared of collective bargaining?
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:27 AM
What you "think" is irrelevant (and "whether" is a question). As, again, everyone with even the most tenuous grasp of economics knows, companies must pay MARKET WAGES because they compete for labor just as they do for every other resource (the notion of monopsony has been completely discredited). No one suggests that companies underpay for steel or wheat or oil or any other resource because the price is determined by supply and demand. I am not "scared" of collective bargaining and have no problem with anyone freely engaging in it so long as government doesn't intervene and companies (or states) can choose to ignore the union unless it provides some other benefit (which it doesn't).
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:33 AM
A better question is why are you afraid of the free market? Worried that your compensation would fall to market rates or that non-union workers could do the same job leaving you out in the cold?
oldshortfatboy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:33 AM
Doc, I hate unions but am not afraid of collective bargaining. I hate it because it always reduces the entire workforce that is unionized to the lowest common denominator, laziness.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:45 AM
Naaa I'm versatile. If that happens I could always become an economist.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:48 AM
Well I have worked both, fatboy. I didn't notice much difference in laziness.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:50 AM
You can dream. In order to become an economist, you would actually have to understand economics. That would mean you'd have to abandon the pretense that a company "paying as little as it can" (which is true) means that it could pay less than the market wage that generates the basic return in the marketplace (which is pure bunkum).
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 3:09 AM
No offense but isn't being an economist kinda like being a weatherman?
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 3:14 AM
If you mean meteorologist, sure. The competent ones do research and understand the process. The dimwits (that no one in the profession takes seriously) appear on the local news stations or write columns for the New York Times.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 3:17 AM
Again, why are you so afraid of the free market (or history or economics or reality) that you have to fall back on Youtube videos and attacks without substance? Is it that the only work you're likely to get (or at least keep) is as a union flunky?
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 3:37 AM
Good of you to make my point for me.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 3:45 AM
See here's my problem. On the one hand you've got Krugman and Stiglitz who pretty much agree. On the other hand there's you and Ransom who say those guys don't know what they are talking about. Now being a novice in the field of economics who do you think I'm going to believe? You and Ransom or the two Nobel laureates?
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 4:08 AM
You're problem is that you have no grasp of economics or the FIELD of economics. If you want to have virtually any professional economist laugh in your face, say to them "the Nobel Prize in economics is awarded to those most competent in economics rather than those who share the political views of the committee". This is the crew that selected Gunnar Myrdal (!) for an award. You can choose to believe Krugman or Stiglitz (who won as the third wheel to two better economists) or you can actually learn something about the subject. Try Mises, Hayek, Friedman, Rothbard, Buchanan, Schumpeter, Higgs, Baird, etc. (a couple of whom won Nobels with views the OPPOSITE of Krugman's)
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 4:11 AM
Oh so you're a Rothbard fan?
rcalvert822 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 4:20 AM
How can you call yourself "Doctor" when you have no common sense? I bet you voted for the communist, Muslim!
Dan107 Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 5:14 AM
The real question is: Why do you think the % of unionized workers in the private sector has dropped to 6.6%? Is it the company management that is causing this drop or is it union members seeing that their union is not serving their needs?
jimmylynn Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 5:33 AM
I don't think it's collective "bargaining" that most people diagree with,.....it's collective "robbing" .
modernmover Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 6:10 AM
Well, apparently you have never been an employer. I like to pay people what they're worth.
NormRx Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 6:55 AM
If we are to allow unions to collude to set wages, we should allow companies to also collude to set prices and wages. About 500 years ago management indeed colluded to set wages, this was later made illegal, in the meantime it was made legal for unions to collude to set wages.
Fredward Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 7:55 AM
The real question is "How have unions improved the workplace." Since membership is at record lows and the average worker equates unions with turds, I'd have to say not at all. You can keep believing your slogans, but unions are now run by politicians for the benefit of politicians, whether you agree or not.
AZhot Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 8:03 AM
Would you pay any more for something than you had to? Than why would any business? I hope you're not really a doctor of any kind, because you are a moron.
tkdblk Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 11:44 AM
Consistently hanging around with bad people wherever you work says a lot about you.
tkdblk Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 11:45 AM
Krugman? you have to be kidding.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 12:42 PM
Rothbard wasn't perfect (he is a bit too harsh on Adam Smith, for example) but he was correct about many things.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 2:00 PM
Correct about Ronald Reagan?
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Feb 02, 2013 9:55 PM
Rothbard was correct about Reagan in some respects; not so in others. Playing the quote game (as do those idiots who remeber nothing ever said by George H. W. Bush except his - inaccurate - voodoo economics comment) will not win anything.

Perhaps it was the radio segment that I did this week asking for comments and feedback about unions. I asked on the air for people who were union members to call our listener line at 202-681-1732 or email us at ransomnotesradio@gmail.com.

I was looking for comments about the good and bad that goes along with being represented by unions.

Still looking for comments, and now want them even if you don't have a union.  

Personally I think unions are outdated relics of an age that belong more to Stalin than to Dickens.

Or maybe it was the Facebook picture I posted...