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Obama Wins by Going Negative and Turning Out Base

Oh please. Karl Rove invented this. *Everybody* runs negative ads on their opponent. *Everybody* strives to turn out their base. Barone whining about Obama winning this way is the height of hypocrisy.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:43 PM
Well, maybe Rove didn't invent it. But he perfected it.
gungy Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 4:14 PM
Probably LBJ invented it on the POTUS level with the "daisy" ad against Goldwater. Your buddy Algore was the first one to use Willy Horton against Dukakis. But the Obama anti-Romney ads were out and out lies most of them. Romney failed to respond when he should have. It's like a street fight. The guy who gets in the first punch wins. Obama did that. With brass knuckles.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 4:47 PM
You can go on an on about who did what first forever. This is how siblings drive their parents crazy. The point is that both sides have done it so often and so outrageously for so long that to take offense at a particular instance is just moronic.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:43 PM
Well, maybe Rove didn't invent it. But he perfected it.
Lukewarm. That's the feeling I get from the election numbers.

Turnout was apparently down, at least as a percentage of eligible voters. The president was re-elected by a reduced margin. The challenger didn't inspire the turnout surge he needed.

Every re-elected president since Andrew Jackson has won with an increased popular vote percentage. Barack Obama didn't. He won 53 percent to 46 percent in 2008. His numbers as I write are 50 percent to 48 percent over Mitt Romney. That could go up to 51 percent to 48 percent when California finishes its count, which took five weeks in 2008.

Obama owes most...