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Oh, come on, Anominus!! Any transplanted organ!!! Blood cells!! They are alive. They are human. (Or what? Giraffe blood?) But they are not human beings.
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Thank you, Lepanto! Most Pro-Lifers do as Anominus does above, and like a hot potato drop the concepts of 'ensoulment' and 'human being' the instant they begin to serve as an argument in favor of early-term abortion. And to what do they retreat? Godless science!! Murder is the unlawful killing of a Human Being, and our science is not equal to the task of identifying the presence or non-presence of a Human being. Science cannot even define the term.
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The problem is, on the other side of that coin is the enslavement of women. Were it not for that I'd be erring on the side of caution, too. I've no way to know when an embryo becomes a Human Being, I have to go by 2nd-hand, 3rd-hand clues.
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Rich D., your 9:53 post must be a comment in a thread someplace, I'm not digging for it. What you say at 10:32 covers alot of ground, very thinly. It would not be fair of me to call it more flinging around of big words, but it needs a whole lot of fleshing out.
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"Life is also a fuzzy term, good for raw emotional manipulation." Yes it is. People should erase the term "Life", and substitute the term "Human Being", and then see if what they are saying makes sense. Over and over again people say something about life and pretend (maybe they even believe) that they've proven something about Human Beings.
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"The abolitionist movement was first and foremost Christian. " I'll take your word for that, though there may well have been atheists in the movement too. But likewise Slavery was justified by the Christian Theology of the time.
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Religion (people's interpretations of the word of God, as opposed to God him/her - self) can do likewise. Do you think that the Dred Scott decision had nothing to do with the mainstream theology of those times, which held that the natural place of the mud people was in bondage to the white man?
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Governments have to Govern. Governments have to make provisional, best-guess determinations about things that only God really knows. And unless you like the Iranian model of Govt, you don't take some word of some dude in fancy clothes as the word of God.
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"At conception the soul enters the womb..." Theology has wrestled with the concept and timing of 'ensoulment' for two millenia. At conception? That is one opinion... "Abortion is legal murder." This is a contradiction in term. (Rich D., help me out here. For once you can actually start flinging them.) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. If you are going to opine about that, it's incumbent on you to try and have some notion of what a 'human being' is, and it is good that you seem to think that having a soul is part of the definition (maybe most or all). When the rest of us start treating unimplanted embryos as if they were ensouled Human Beings, then you can start making pronouncements like the above.
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Birdman III, we strive mightily to prevent the untimely death of Human Beings. When we fail, we mourn, We do no such things with embryo's that fail to implant. If we cared, we probably could rescue some of them, or at least treat their remains with dignity and respect. Surely their own parents would do that with their children? We do nothing of the sort with embryos that fail to implant. To hold a woman wishing to abort one by choice to a different standard is hypocrisy, and sticking your nose where it has no business being.
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"Anybody who starts and argument with I don't believe that God would... or God wouldn't... or God wouldn't allow... is judging." This is ridiculous. People spend their whole lives trying to understand the word of God, banging their heads against the impenetrable mysteries of his creation. This is not 'judgement' in the sense that you use the term. It is study, wonderment, an attempt to understand.
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