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Just Assume We Have a Climate Crisis

firetoice Wrote: May 31, 2014 1:01 PM
If you accept the position of Dr. James Hansen, formerly of NASA GISS, the necessary steps are as follows: 1- Reduce global annual CO2 emissions to zero; 2- Eliminate animal husbandry (~18% of GHG emissions - UN FAO); 3- Control/reduce global population; 4- Redistribute global wealth and income; 5- Establish a global governance unit to oversee the process; and, 6- Reduce existing CO2 in the atmosphere to ~350 ppm. I've not seen an actual guarantee that those steps would be sufficient, just that they are necessary.
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Just Assume We Have a Climate Crisis

firetoice Wrote: May 31, 2014 11:07 AM
Pray to the sun god. ;-)
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Just Assume We Have a Climate Crisis

firetoice Wrote: May 31, 2014 10:50 AM
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/clip_image002_thumb1.jpg?w=623&h=394 The above graph makes it rather difficult to hyperventilate about recent temperature change.
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Just Assume We Have a Climate Crisis

firetoice Wrote: May 31, 2014 10:25 AM
Some questions to ponder: What is the ideal global average surface temperature? How was it determined? What is the ideal atmospheric CO2 concentration? How was it determined? "Enquiring minds want to know."
H.L. Mencken said it best. "People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard."
Shhhhhhhh! Don't give IPAB any ideas.
Life in the future could be tough for "not-yet-shovel-ready" seniors.
Wonderful "handle" for a defender of the "little people". ;-) US EPA uses a figure of $9 million as the "societal cost of a life unnecessarily shortened", regardless of the age of the person whose life is shortened. Multiplying that number by the ~55 million "lives unnecessarily shortened" by abortion results in a "societal cost" of ~$500 trillion. Certainly not "chump change"!
I have suggested that abortionists take a much shorter oath, which I refer to as the Gosnell Oath: Collect your fee, remove the baby and make sure it's dead.
Ad hominem Ad hominem It's all you've got Ad hominem The earth's climate has warmed and cooled over the millennia. Climate change is not an issue. CO2 and CH4 are GHGs. That is not the issue. There are differences between GW, AGW and CAGW. Conflating them is an issue. "Adjusting" bad data is an issue. Demanding reactions to large numbers of inconsistent, unverified models is an issue.
The leaders of other national governments would likely not follow President Obama to the restroom at the break, even if they all needed the restroom. If CO2, a globally well-mixed trace gas, is a problem, it is a global problem, amenable only to a global solution. Preemptively surrendering US negotiating leverage is not a strategy for success.
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