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Lessons Not Learned From Vietnam

Fire_Ready Wrote: Apr 30, 2012 5:27 PM
Good article, but misses the important part; WHY? We make assumptions that we LOST Vietnam, then look for the reasons. Maybe we should ask; 1. Why we didn't win sooner. 2. Why did the Democrat controlled congress vocally reject the terms of North Vietnam's surrender? Why were the mass killings in South Vietnam and Combodia after we cut and ran such a surprise? Why has this administration decided to follow that same failed path used by the Democrats congress at the end of the Vietnam mess? Why do Democrats always feel oblaged to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Why does the media feel ideologically obliged to take sides against America? There are enemies within, both foreign and domestic. The domestic ones don't even realize it.
Earl Wrote: Apr 30, 2012 9:38 PM
We never had "victory" within our jaws in Vietnam. "Win sooner?" We didn't "win" at all. Even the canard that we "won all the battles" is a myth. We got chewed up in numerous engagements. Hamburger Hill being a case in point. Having never defined what we were trying to accomplish, other than "not losing South Vietnam" to communist aggression, there was no end game to focus on. Statistics became an end unto themselves.
Fire_Ready Wrote: May 01, 2012 5:20 AM
North Vietnam surrendered at the Paris Peace Talks. The Democrat Congress rejected the agreement because there was a Republican president. A Democrat president (Kennedy) started the Vietnam War. A Democrat president (Johnson) escalated the Vietnam War. A Republican president (Nixon) won it and ended it. The Democrats couldn't accept this politically. They successfully undermined the war that they started and escalated for political purposes. Bush 41 won the War in Iraq, but blundered the aftermath. The surge then worked and we took control in Iraq. Under Obama we retreated and compromised our situation in Iraq to concentrate on Obama's 'Good War' in Afghanistan. Another bad choice by Democrats based solely on political expediency.
Jay Wye Wrote: Apr 30, 2012 6:45 PM
We WON Vietnam militarily,then gave it up politically. We surrendered,gave up.
The same goes for Iraq,and apparently,Afghanistan.

After the fall of Saigon on April 29, 1975, military and civilian strategists sought “lessons learned.” Many were tactical or technical, such as the operational effectiveness of precision-guided munitions and the continuing need for guns on jet fighters. At the strategic level, one pundit recommended that the United States never again fight in a former French colony located on the other side of the world with borders contiguous to enemy sources of supply governed by an ally of dubious political legitimacy. After the fall of Saigon 37 years ago, the United States embarked on another unsatisfying war, the result seeming eerily...