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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 4:30 PM
"Our government is incompetent as *$&#" We agree on that. "We have credible stories of men being released from Gitmo 3 years after being imprisoned there, only to find out that not only were they not involved in terrorism, but we don’t have a shred of evidence to justify his being held there." This is by far the exception rather than the rule, and even then the intel telling us they were not involved is quite suspect. More often these terrorists are released and return to the battlefield and kill innocent civilians and our troops.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 4:18 PM
>>We can freely kill them. We can't "torture" them? Pro UN Partisan wrote: "We cannot freely kill them in custody, which would also be a war crime." Our military and CIA have a choice: Kill them and leave them on the battlefield or capture them. Capturing is inherently dangerous and costly. Anyone saying we should never 'torture' captured terrorists is really saying we are far better off just killing them where we find them, as that would ultimately be more humane. They could die in battle and go to heaven with their 72 virgins. But we do need intel. We are quite good at getting intel and extracting the good from the bad, regardless of what you may have heard others say. I can agree with killing them where we find them, but I do wish to add a stipulation: Dismember them and bury them in pigs blood. Or even feed them to the hogs. I do not wish them to feel rewarded for their terrorist deeds. I say eliminate their chance of heaven, as they have forfeited that courtesy when they became terrorists.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 4:08 PM
(Laughing at the UN Pro-Partisan), Go to your precious UN website and see if everyone else follows these wonderful sounding items of the treaty and whether they can be retracted. They are temporary, whether signed by Bush, Reagan, Clinton or Obama. Double standard? Haha! "They radical Muslims could point to our threat to them" could you say that with a liberal whine? Hahaha! Like they would do anything different because of what you say or we do regarding this issue. In the context of "UN torture" everyone violates this treaty. I am sure we meant it and it sounded really good when signed, but the times change. The exception to the rule of civilized treaties has arrived. But I no longer believe the United Nations is capable of playing any positive role in getting it done. The UN is anti-American, and as you seem to base your core beliefs and trust in them, you may want to do a gut check.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 3:54 PM
Aw yes! You are conservative! Riiight! A treaty is not Supreme, it is a temporary agreement that can be changed at any time. We voted the bums out of the Senate. With the stroke of a pen the United States can remove the anti-American United Nations from our shores, and this needs to be done. The title Anti-Partisan should not have strong partisan feelings, but you seem to have them, which means you are really Anti- Anti-Partisan! A UN one world order ideologue. I am proudly American.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 3:43 PM
Spoken like a leftist. Yours is 'settled science' and anything but your point of view offends you. I can agree that the United Nations treaty actually says what you claim. It is the corrupt elitist UN after all. But for every rule, there is an exception. They say that actually proves the rule. Saying the United States signed a UN treaty and therefore it is settled is foolish. It leaves the United States as the only entity that would even consider this. That is fine with you, but not for me. Now the UN Secretary General wants to try our people. Let them do just that, AFTER they move to Chine where they belong, and WITHOUT any funding from the US.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 7:56 AM
One World Order elitists. The United Nations has outlived any usefulness it once had. Using the UN for justification is tipping your hat to the ultimate corruption of the UN.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 7:51 AM
Another reason to throw the United Nations out of our country and stop paying all their bills. It is an anti-American organization. Throw the elitist bums out.
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The Conservative Case Against Torture

Fire_Ready Wrote: Dec 16, 2014 7:36 AM
Look up the signatories of the Geneva Conventions. Do you see any nations that sponsor terrorism among them? Killing the enemies was acceptable. Taking prisoners is dangerous and costly. There needs to be a reason for doing so in life or death situations. Just to be nice and humane doesn't cut it during life and death conflicts. The definition of "torture" is completely determined by the person using the term, and seems to be continually changing. If only interrogation could be done at leisure in the comfort of your home with a very compliant terrorist and no lives hung in the balance it sure would be easier! Feeling good, and feeling superior, in a hypothetical situation isn't really a conservative ideal. That sort of tugs at the heartstrings of liberals.
That was a pretty good jump to a "homogeneous clump" when I believe Darby was simply Stating what one of the core problems of the feminist movement is. There are rules and there are exceptions. Too many times the exceptions are used as cover while working on obscuring the rule. Sure there are Christians in the feminist movement, but they are the exception. Seeing this basic tenet of the feminist movement will become problematic for them eventually. Feminism wants to establish their own religion with their own 'gods' that they choose. As the Christians within the movement realize that they do not fit into the established feminist role, they will be forced to reevaluate. To be a Christian doesn't make you right all the time. It just means you place your faith and trust in Jesus. But so they don't get led astray they must verify through God's written word. When there is a conflict, be sure to get back on the narrow path! (Matt 7)
The feminist's real anger is at God. Man didn't create women to be women, that was God! God also created man and the family unit. Feminists are angry at God because God didn't create them as men. Being perpetually angry at God is not healthy. God knows what he is doing. He knows who you are and why you were created with the gifts you have. Learn to relax, trust God and be the best that you were created by God to be.
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