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Michelle Malkin Confronts Liberal Over Fast and Furious

faultroy Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 2:42 PM
I wonder why conservatives do not address the real issue here...the overt manipulation by the government in the willfull violation of federal law. Why are not conservatives talking about the fact that if the average American citizen would do this, they would be put away in prison for about 30 years. Yet we act as if a government official can brazenly violate the law for an alleged good with impunity. The issue is both Repub and Dem Administrations violated the law. What difference does it make whether it was a Dem or a Repub?
bmadison2007 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 12:58 AM
There are huge differences between Operation Wide Receiver done during the Bush Administration, and the horrific Fast and Furious, started by the Obama administration. Rush Limbaugh went over all the differences today and makes the case the best:

"Wid Receiver was an attempt to build a case against gun smugglers and the drug cartels, to find out who they were, where they are. The purpose of Fast and Furious was to build a case against the Second Amendment. In a nutshell, Wide Receiver began in 2005. It involved four hundred guns. All of the weapons in Wide Receiver had RFID trackers installed in them, and they were actively tracked. Only the Phoenix ATF and DOJ were involved. The Mexican government was kept fully informed. They were...
bmadison2007 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 12:59 AM
The Bush administration, as part of Wide Receiver, notified the Mexican government when arms and drug smugglers were crossing. When the guns were being walked across the border or when they had been purchased legally, being taken back to Mexico, the Mexican government was notified. At least 1,400 arrests were made as part of Wide Receiver. Now, once ATF found out the smugglers were disabling the tracking devices, the RFID tracking devices that were planted in the guns, they ripped them out and then the guns were lost. So the program was shut down in October of 2007. Once the bad guys discovered the tracking devices, the program was ended, in 2007. Ended.

Now, here's Fast and Furious by contrast. Fast and Furious began in October of...
bmadison2007 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 12:59 AM


Now, here's Fast and Furious by contrast. Fast and Furious began in October of 2009. Obama is in his tenth month. Wide Receiver doesn't exist. It'd been shut down for two years. Fast and Furious involved over 2,000 guns. Wide Receiver was 1,400 guns. Roughly. No tracking devices were planted in the Fast and Furious guns. The regime didn't care where they ended up. There were no tracking devices. No effort was made to track them. No helicopters. There was no on-the-ground surveillance of the straw purchasers. None of it. The guns were sold, they were walked across the border, and that was it. Four federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cities in five states.

In contrast to Wide Receiver, the Mexican government was not...
bmadison2007 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 1:00 AM
In contrast to Wide Receiver, the Mexican government was not notified the program even existed. They did not use tracking devices or aircraft to try to find and track the smugglers. The local ATF field agents were ordered not to follow the straw purchasers. Fast and Furious is as bad as everything you have conjured it to be in your mind. Wide Receiver has nothing in common, other than guns crossing the border. That's it. Federal agents, furthermore -- are you following all this, Snerdley? -- federal agents were not allowed to interdict the guns and they even ran interference for the smugglers with local law enforcement on multiple occasions to make sure those guns made it across the border.

No effort was ever made to arrest the straw...
bmadison2007 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 1:00 AM
No effort was ever made to arrest the straw purchasers, the smugglers, by local law enforcement or anybody else. And none were arrested. The program was closed down only after the deaths of at least 200 Mexican civilians and two federal agents, border agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata, were linked to the smuggled weapons. Now, it is important to understand that Wide Receiver had been tried and it had clearly failed before Obama's team decided to undertake Fast and Furious.

Fast and Furious used many more guns. They didn't track them. They didn't try to stop or interdict the guns. They knew that they were going to end up in Mexican drug cartel hands, which is what they wanted to happen. To me, it's almost an inescapable...
bmadison2007 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 1:00 AM
To me, it's almost an inescapable conclusion that they wanted to put American guns, American purchased guns -- the guns were not stolen, they were purchased at gun shops, and then the straw purchasers working for the drug cartels were allowed to take them across the border.