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Behind the Crack-up of the Right

erniel58 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 4:27 PM
Bravo! Finally someone besides Ron Paul points out that perpetual war is not a conservative value. To take your final paragraph to the heart of the neocon argument you should mention that besides the 47,000 US casualties, the Iraq conflict cost them 250,000+ casualties and countless deaths from disease and starvation due to us wrecking their infrastructire. Is this just a case of "neccessary sacrifices" we impose on them to deliver our ideological paradise to them?
Dancing Bear Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 6:21 PM
I agree 100% ernie. I am as huge a fan of Rambo movies and martial arts and other things military as the next guy, but it is time to realize we run the risk of no longer being the good guy. I have always been an unabashed supporter of the American soldier and his/her mission. But that is waning. I don't believe killing people is cool, as this Prez apparently does. And Syria goes on all over the globe - why not take out N. Korea? Talk about a poor, INNOCENT, population. The leaders there used to have parties where they would run over people with steamrollers and folks could hear skulls pop. Problem is we start killing too many innocents as a by product and ALSO that we cannot even keep our OWN people self disciplined re deficit.
Dancing Bear Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 6:21 PM
I agree 100% ernie. I am as huge a fan of Rambo movies and martial arts and other things military as the next guy, but it is time to realize we run the risk of no longer being the good guy. I have always been an unabashed supporter of the American soldier and his/her mission. But that is waning. I don't believe killing people is cool, as this Prez apparently does. And Syria goes on all over the globe - why not take out N. Korea? Talk about a poor, INNOCENT, population. The leaders there used to have parties where they would run over people with steamrollers and folks could hear skulls pop. Problem is we start killing too many innocents as a by product and ALSO that we cannot even keep our OWN people self disciplined re deficit.
HermanBB Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 4:33 PM
To ernie

And all of this because we were attacked by 19 people (mainly from Saudi Arabia) with boxcutters.
erniel58 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 4:43 PM
Yes and nearly all active Al Qaida are of the Wahhabi sect but we have created a permanent state of "war" against all Muslims to serve the financial interests who benefit. When the military industrial complex no longer had the boogeyman of communism to spur us into serving these masters, they invented new villains: Saddam, then Bin Laden, now their successors. If the "war" never ends then neither does the cashflow and our mandate to keep stripping personal liberties. When will we get wise to this "racket"?
RyanM Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 4:50 PM
Herman,

In case you didn't see this below:

"I've heard to story many time before but there never seems to be any definitive about it.

Herman,

Here you go and from an establishment source at that.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1#.T-TFpZGwV7c

This made the front page of a New Jersey newspaper seen here. I believe the paper is the Bergen Record.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/09/10/the-five-dancing-israelis-arrested-on-9-11/
HermanBB Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 5:02 PM
To Ryan

That story should change everything.

Israel should go from our "greatest ally" to our mortal enemy.

Do I think it will happen? Of course not.
RyanM Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 9:02 PM
Good deal, Herman.

Israel is our enemy.

In introducing his new book, "Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America," Paul Gottfried identifies a fundamental divide between neoconservatives and the traditional right. The divide is over the question: What is this nation, America?

Straussians, writes Gottfried, "wish to present the construction of government as an open-ended rationalist process. All children of the Enlightenment, once properly instructed, should be able to carry out this ... task."

For traditional conservatives, before the nation is born, "ethnic and cultural preconditions" must exist. All "successful constitutional orders," he writes, "are the expressions of already formed nations and cultures."

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