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Obama Wins by Going Negative and Turning Out Base

ericynot Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 1:57 PM
donovan, I believe either McCain or Romney could have won if they'd made a better VP choice.
ericynot Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 3:10 PM

Biden was on a winning ticket too. Twice.

RepubRob2 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:51 PM
Both of the VPs you noted were on winning tickets. Try again...
ericynot Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:37 PM

Hmmm. Let me think. A more inept VP than Biden? How about Spiro "Nattering Nabob" Agnew? Or Dan "Potatoe" Quayle?

VP candidates DO make a difference because they say important things about the presidential candidate's inclinations and judgement. They are arguably the first presidential decision the candidate makes, and as such, are extremely important, especially to independent voters without whom neither party can win.
RepubRob2 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:14 PM
This is just simply outrageously ignorant. Who let you on this site anyway? Can you even attempt, with a straight face, to name one single VP who was more inept than Joe Biden? Even if I accept that he has plenty of experience (far outweighing that of his boss), the choice of VP has so little to do with people casting their ballots for or against a candidate that it doesn't move the dial even the tiniest bit. Even the commentators on Fox News who LOVED the choice of Paul Ryan thought it would make any difference whatsoever.
togubin Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 2:14 PM
Nonsense. The VP choice has little or no effect on the top of the ticket.
Lukewarm. That's the feeling I get from the election numbers.

Turnout was apparently down, at least as a percentage of eligible voters. The president was re-elected by a reduced margin. The challenger didn't inspire the turnout surge he needed.

Every re-elected president since Andrew Jackson has won with an increased popular vote percentage. Barack Obama didn't. He won 53 percent to 46 percent in 2008. His numbers as I write are 50 percent to 48 percent over Mitt Romney. That could go up to 51 percent to 48 percent when California finishes its count, which took five weeks in 2008.

Obama owes most...