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Obama Lied, Crowley’s Cred Died.

ericynot Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:01 PM
gungy, If you want to know why they called it workplace violence, you need to ask the Army, not Obama. I'd like to know too because it clearly WAS an act of terrorism. And I hope the people suing the Army to get that classification changed prevail. But you can't make up stuff where Bob Shieffer covered anything up because he's on record ripping the Army a new intestinal opening about how they handled the whole Hassan calamity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fuVf1fPTc
Rondoman Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 8:20 PM
As the Commander-in-Chief, any president has the right and responsibility to dress down the military if the stupidity is public and offensive. He need not call names, just simply say, "Gentlemen, lets cut the nonsense and call it what it is, an act of terrorism." The vast majority of the military and the public would agree. Of course, we are not dealing with the "Commander-in-Chief," but the "Pretender-in-Chief."
Bill904 Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 7:57 PM
Yep, kPar. He spends a lot of time saying he's a Libertarian and then just keeps coming up with liberal talking points. Note that it's all about defending Obama in this case, and blaming conservatives in others. So eric in his infinite wisdom knew there weren't any WMD's despite intelligence from around the world saying there were. I wish I were smarter than everyone else all the time. But then, in hindsight it's easy to pretend that.
KPar Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 7:19 PM
Bill, you're never going to convince Eric- he IS quite the lib...
ericynot Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 7:14 PM
Bill,

I quoted intelligence (CIA, etc.) here on TH earlier today from the 2 days before Susan Rice made her ill-advised round of interviews on the 9/17/12 Sunday news shows. That intel said exactly what she said.

I learned many decades ago that when "everybody" says something, it's a good time to say "Whoa, hoss." I opposed the Iraq War from the day it was first mentioned, despite what "everybody" (Dem and Rep) were saying. I'm from the South and a student of history. I KNOW what mob insanity looks like. Kind of like what happened in Benghazi ...
Bill904 Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 7:03 PM
Also, Clinton as president said Saddam had WMD's. But of course the two situations are not at all comparable. What Obama did about Ft. Hood is similar to what he did about Benghazi. Called it something it wasn't. For two weeks, and to the UN, Obama blamed it on a video. If we know one thing, it's that the video had nothing to do with it. The Libyan president said it had nothing to do with the video.
Bill904 Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:54 PM
Gad, you really are quite the lib. Bush and Cheney were relying on intelligence not just from our people, but from many European sources. Dems in Congress who had the same intelligence briefings as Bush declared that Saddam had WMD's. That includes Hillary and John Kerry. EVERYONE thought he had WMD's. Let me guess .... Bush lied and people died. Except Bush didn't lie. He went on the intelligence EVERYONE had.
ericynot Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:47 PM
Bill,

On March 13, 2003, Richard Cheney said, "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

On the basis of that kind of unsubstantiated baloney, we started a $trillion dollar war which killed over 100,000 people, including 4,486 of our own. I have yet to hear George W. Bush take responsibility for this astonishing blunder. Nor will I ever.

Anyone waiting for a President of either party to voluntarily accept responsibility for anything embarrassing or politically damaging is delusional. And, for that matter, how many ordinary citizens are any better?
Bill904 Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:44 PM
And Obama himself said that Hassan was an "isolated extremist." He did NOT use the word terror.
Bill904 Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:32 PM
The Defense Department, and the Secretary of Defense, called it workplace violence. Whom does the Secretary of Defense answer to? Who is the commander in chief of the armed forces? As I said, Obama never takes the blame for anything, even when he is ultimately responsible.
ericynot Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:24 PM
Bill,

If you've got something quoting BO or anyone at the White House calling it workplace violence, I'd like to see it. And if I do, I'll readily agree with your point.

My take is that the Army made that classification in order to avoid having to pay out a lot more money in damages. Hence the recently announced lawsuit to get the classification changed -- which I wholeheartedly support.

Insisting that people, whether friend or foe be quoted accurately and contextually is not "covering up for them".
gungy Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:10 PM
And I pray that President Romney will fire Dempsey, who has also been involved with suppression of the military vote on Obama's behalf and failed--no, willfully obstructed-- to carry out the MOVE MVPP Act and initiative every chance he got.
gungy Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:08 PM
On orders of the Pentagon and shiny Obama shills like Martin Dempsey who called the pastor in FL and told him not to exercise his 1st Amendment rights instead of defending them and killing the enemies that would deprive us of them. Obama has been asked point blank and refuses to label it terrorism nor will his spokespersons like Carney.
Bill904 Wrote: Oct 20, 2012 6:05 PM
So it's the Army's fault that the Obama administration called it workplace violence? Did the Army also decide to call terrorist attacks man-caused disasters? I'm sure that's Obama's view, because he never takes the blame for anything. And by covering up for him, you seem more and more like a liberal than a Libertarian every day. Come on out of the liberal closet, eric.

President Obama’s lie at the debate--that he made an early call the Benghazi attack was terror-- was petty and ludicrous.

It was petty because, as a semantic dispute, it grasped brief advantage that necessarily had to yield to inevitable fact-checking. It was ludicrous because, as a matter of history, it pretended two weeks of vehement, contradictory spin from the administration never happened.

When Mitt Romney challenged Obama on his failure to admit the Benghazi massacre was terrorism, the president threw down a startling gauntlet: He had indeed called the attack an act...

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