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efurst Wrote: May 16, 2013 1:33 PM
The true Jews are only those who believe in Christ. As a Gentile I am now adopted into the family of Abraham. Not all who are called Israel are Israel.
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efurst Wrote: May 16, 2013 1:30 PM
Only the Jews that convert to Christ are witnesses. The rest who are not part of the remnant remain as broken off branches ready for the fire like the rest of people who reject Christ.
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The Church of Scotland's Scandal

efurst Wrote: May 16, 2013 1:28 PM
The title deed represented the Church's inheritance in glory. The Promised Land represented heaven. The land of Israel was a small symbol of something far far greater in the future that belongs to the Church which is made of all believers from Adam onward. Now that the kingdom is underway, the symbol is obsolete. God's plan for Israel is the same as it is for Kentucky, that they may know Christ as Savior.
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efurst Wrote: May 16, 2013 1:24 PM
the true meaning of Israel is the Church, not the Jews or the state of Israel. Do not separate Israel and the Church, theologically. That is dispensationalism, a fad among evangelicals, but it is throwing out some of the extreme beliefs and becoming more progressive and closer to covenant theology. As a recovering dispensational, I don't get the shakes anymore when I abstain from reading bible prophecy in the news!
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efurst Wrote: May 14, 2013 10:45 PM
"His intent was that now, through the CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Jesus Christ our Lord." Ephesians 3:10 It is finished, people. There is not another era to come of law, temples, sacrifices, ad nauseum. When we see Christ, we will be judged on what we thought of him, not what we thought of the state of Israel. And then the eternal state will begin...that my friends is the cosmic promised land, not a dinky piece of real estate on the Med that served its duty as a SYMBOL..
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The Church of Scotland's Scandal

efurst Wrote: May 14, 2013 10:29 PM
God's promises to his chosen people were conditional upon obedience. They failed and he sent his son to do what Israel would never do, that is be a faithful servant. Now the true Israel who inherits the promises is the Church which is composed of believing Jews and Gentiles.
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efurst Wrote: May 14, 2013 10:25 PM
The standard by which God blessed people in the OT was what they thought of Israel. The standard in the new Testament is what you think of Jesus. Mass idolatry of the State of Israel in the Church will backfire. The true Israel of God is not an ethnic group or a piece of real estate. It is the Church made of all ethnicities.
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efurst Wrote: May 14, 2013 10:20 PM
Now we are getting closer to the truth here. The land promise was fulfilled by Joshua and later David during the conquest. This earthly Davidic kingdom was accomplished, though short-lived, and the Jewish people held onto it by a thread from which the Messiah came. The purpose of the chosen people was to bring the Messiah. All the promised land was supposed to be was a cradle for the birth of the worldwide Israel of God which is the Church. The land is a symbol for a spiritual kingdom, not an earthly kingdom. Abraham knew that! He never had one foot of land and knew that the promise spoke of an inheritance of the cosmos, not puny Israel! Silly people. The gospel started in Jerusalem and goes out, out out, grafting in the Gentiles. It was never intended to turn around and have Israel reconstituted as the goal of prophecy. The Church is being deceived and led into the devil's scheme to replace Jesus with the land. Read O. Palmer Robertson's The Israel of God.
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