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Parting Company

Edward463 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:40 AM
Some interesting points about the Civil War: The federal government instituted the draft to enlarge the Union forces. The federal government instituted the first income tax to pay for the war, which lapsed a few years after the war. The secessionist states at this point were rogue governments that wished to perpetuate slavery. The overwhelming number of men in the Southern forces had no vested interest in slavery; most were too poor to own a slave. So, the question is: Why was the war fought? Was it to end slavery in the Southern states? Or to "preserve" the Union, or the federal government's power over those states, regardless of the issue? Or, was the slavery issue a mere pretext to perpetuate federal power over those states?
Daniel30 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:16 AM
Lysander Spooner could support neither side during the War Between the States. He faulted the South for, at least in part, perpetuating slavery. He faulted the North because turning the United States into an involuntary union the North was enforcing an enslavement to the state. So the Civil War was not a war to end slavery but a war to determine what sort of slavery was to be imposed by the winner.
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:58 AM
The honor and pride of the Southern. How many of the slave owners were from other countries?
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:59 AM
When visiting plantations it seemed to me the landowners and therefor slaveowners were mostly foreign investors.
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:01 AM
Did a great many Southerners believe that all mankind is not created equal. And endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.

I think hot heads prevailed.
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:01 AM
willi4 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 8:48 AM
Or was it a power grab by the Central bank? They charged the federal government 26% interest. Lincoln hated them and even stated such that they were more threatening than the Southern Army to the freedom of the Union.
After the war and during what we refer to as reconstruction, Washington DC was carved out and incorporated. As were the "several states" under that corporate umbrella. We lost the Republic at that point. They never taught this in school. The US government is a CORPORATION! Not a working Republic. We have been swindled by the lawyers and Bankers who reside in and now own that corporation by fiat.
Marie150 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 10:18 AM
Perhaps they did not let a good crisis go to waste. Is this the leftist mantra of the ages?
For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

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