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The Real Root of Atheists' Anti-Christmas Rage

dtalley Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 9:00 AM
There's a lot of angst about Christmas and people not wanting us to celebrate, except to shop for the Holiday Season. But if you don't accept Christianity's Christmas season or Judaism' Hanukkah season, what are you celebrating...shopping? The Judeo-Christian value system is part of the core values of the founding of America. Without it, there would be no difference between the proposed new US government and the old English regal rulers. Inalienable rights were more than an insertion but a recognition of God in our founding fathers lives. www.valuesofamerica.com
AntiocusIV Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 4:47 PM
but the english had a STATE CHURCH how is that not a part of a "Judeo-Christian value"? also there is no arguement that britian was founded as a "christian nation" by athiests and the like
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 10:23 AM
"Inalienable rights were more than an insertion but a recognition of God in our founding fathers lives."

There is no biblical reference to inalienable rights, or any rights. So giving credit to Christianity is preposterous.

1Falcon1 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 11:35 AM
please read or reread the bible the "rights" are all through it
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 12:10 PM
Suppose you quote a verse that discusses inalienable rights. Suppose you quote a verse that proclaims freedom of press or religion or right to assemble. Or the right to vote.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 1:01 PM

I suppose you scoured the Scriptures looking for some reference.

What's truer is; people of that century were more often brought up Christian. Not many of our founding fathers had to be introduced as greenhorns to Jesus and the gospel.
And no matter what atheists think about it, inalienable rights is referenced in the Constitution. Unless you care to deny that.

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 1:03 PM


I wouldn't bother for your sake. You are here as divider. Not uniting us.

Donjindra Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 1:56 PM
"I suppose you scoured the Scriptures looking for some reference."

Actually, I have.

"And no matter what atheists think about it, inalienable rights is referenced in the Constitution. Unless you care to deny that."

I think you mean the Declaration of Independence. I don't deny inalienable rights at all. I'm quite fond of them. I do deny they are biblical. I certainly deny they have anything to do with Catholicism.


Donjindra Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 1:57 PM
: You are here as divider. Not uniting us."

You don't do much uniting either.
soliton2 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 3:00 PM
Western Civilization arose out of Christianity DJ. The rights we enjoy are an inevitable result of that.

Sticks in your craw, doesn't it?
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 4:23 PM
"Western Civilization arose out of Christianity DJ. The rights we enjoy are an inevitable result of that."

Western civilization primarily rose out of Greece and then Rome. Our belief in rights rose from a multitude of sources.


AntiocusIV Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 4:48 PM
there are no rights in the bible, you listen to Jesus or burn in hell forever
AntiocusIV Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 4:49 PM
no it came from the greeks and romans, who are inferior to the chinese empire since they did not last as long
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 5:44 PM
"the Chinese empire didn't last as long as the Egyptians, if longevity was the measure which it isn't.
AntiocusIV Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 6:11 PM
but the chinese kingdom started in 2900bc..... the title chagned to emperor in 221bc...as well the china still has the same culture it did 5000 years ago, egyptian culture today is arab in nature
AntiocusIV Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 6:11 PM
but the chinese kingdom started in 2900bc..... the title chagned to emperor in 221bc...as well the china still has the same culture it did 5000 years ago, egyptian culture today is arab in nature
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 10:09 PM

You burn there for your sins. Jesus saves you from your sins if you convert.

So, don't worry about a Bible; worry about damnation. Plenty of Bible wonks are in hell.

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 10:36 PM

I will unite you to Christ; if you don't back off. It's why I confront an atheist. He'll never do himself any good; he's afraid to. Yet, in a foxhole they say he's different.

I'll bring you to Jesus. Let me worry about how. Give up the sand dune, Don. Lift up your head!




RageyMcRageMonster Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 11:00 PM
http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/

Atheists in foxholes.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 11:32 PM


Exactly. I addressed that to an atheist; donjindra.

Donjindra Wrote: Dec 04, 2012 12:31 AM
" Plenty of Bible wonks are in hell."

As if you've been there to report on the natives.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 04, 2012 12:34 AM
"Exactly. I addressed that to an atheist; donjindra."

Did you follow the link?
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 04, 2012 3:52 PM


"Atheists by definition are the devil's strongest suit. He influences them." --Did you understand that, donjidra?

Links aren't necessary. Most of the time, there are no atheists in foxholes. It stands to reason.
RageyMcRageMonster Wrote: Dec 04, 2012 4:25 PM
So you've been in some foxholes, have you?
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 8:37 AM
"Most of the time, there are no atheists in foxholes. It stands to reason."

Reason should tell a man in a foxhole to protect himself with weapons, not prayer.

There's a great documentary called "Touching the Void." It's about a mountain climber (and atheist) who rescues himself. If he had relied on prayer, he'd be dead.
RageyMcRageMonster Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 12:53 PM
Lots of people coming out of foxholes with limbs missing. Pray that they regrow those limbs. Let's see what happens.
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