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Grossly Negligent: NYPD Sued for Shooting Innocent Bystanders

dskerman Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:03 PM
I think the larger point is that if it's even difficult for police officers, who have much more stringent training and experience with stressful situations than the general public, to fire on a suspect without endangering those around them, why would you think members of the general public would be effective at stopping criminals without even larger collateral damage?
jjollymore Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 6:44 AM
You are 11 times more likely to be shot by a cop than a CCW holder. At first I thought this was because cops shoot more bad guys. I later learned that CCW's shoot more criminals yearly than cops. It's a training issue. Cops rarely shoot more than the required training, whereas CCW's shoot that many rounds a month on average. The cops that do shoot the 200+ rounds a month that a CCW does are either SWAT, or do so on their own dime.
jjollymore Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 6:44 AM
You are 11 times more likely to be shot by a cop than a CCW holder. At first I thought this was because cops shoot more bad guys. I later learned that CCW's shoot more criminals yearly than cops. It's a training issue. Cops rarely shoot more than the required training, whereas CCW's shoot that many rounds a month on average. The cops that do shoot the 200+ rounds a month that a CCW does are either SWAT, or do so on their own dime.
cambeul41 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:08 PM
Your are supposing rather than operating with facts. The police are several times more likely to shoot the innocent than are CCW holders -- perhaps (now I am supposing) because the police are several times less likely to be held accountable if they do.
nimh2 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:20 PM
You are correct. It is cop's "bravado" that gets them into trouble . . .
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 2:43 PM
practiced gun owners would produce similar results in my view.
nimh2 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:13 PM
Practiced (civilian) gun owners would (and) do much better despite being in "stressful" situations. It is the "bravado" that most cops possess that gets them into trouble and contributes to their poor showing with firearms. This is pretty much universal throughout the "men in blue" communities throughout the USA.
In fact, the civilian firearms community does much better in discretionary situations when innocents may be in the "line of fire". There have been many instances of NYPD personnel emptying their weapons into unarmed persons. Take the guns away from the cops . . .
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:46 PM

As the gun control debate rages on with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg leading the way, a woman in North Carolina is suing the New York City Police Department after they shot her and nine other people two months ago while trying to take out a single person near the Empire State Building.

A North Carolina college student hit by police gunfire during a shooting outside the Empire State Building argued in a lawsuit Tuesday that the police department and the officers involved need better training to deal with such confrontations in the future.