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Tilting the Newtown 'Conversation'

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 1:56 PM
Maybe I'm wrong; but I truly believe; Prayers to Almighty God for the benefit of a child or spouse can make an immense difference; because He hears us. Of that there is no doubt. The difference between life or death. How many tots in Newtown, CT would be living today, if mothers had implored God's protection for them? Our country, as fine as it is; has forgotten how to pray, IMMHO.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 22, 2012 1:50 PM


The reaity of His existence, and His love for us;

Is that God definitely answers a faithful Christian's prayers. He may not bother with YOUR prayer; but who can object? You have no faith.


rgrasso Wrote: Dec 22, 2012 12:49 AM
Yes, you are wrong...how do you know what God's will is? For that matter, how do you know God exists?
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 5:02 PM

To James, once more:

"Dreadnaught's a fool because he wants to tell others they suffer due to lack of prayer. Prayer is a private matter."

God hears EVERY prayer, James. You must believe me. If a man doesn't pray, it's easily explained: He doesn't believe in a God who hears his prayer.

Jesus said we must always insist on being heard; asking His Father. That is a basic Christian doctrine. His challenge to the Pharisees was on account of of their hypocrisy; and their rejection of God's Holy Son. Not your pipe dreams.


Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 4:31 PM

I don't flatter myself. But merely to have caused prayer to enter this discussion; I'm pleased. I'm a staunch advocate of addressing EVERYTHING to God; and His divine mercy.

It would be unreasonable for me to expect all of you to silently deplore my confrontational posts. People of intelligence don't appreciate when you counsel them. they feel challenged.

But that's positive! I hope somebody will rise to the occasion and discover a truth they've rarely thought about. And now my effort is even called what pharisees once did! That's cool! I'm a pharisee!

Lol!

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 4:19 PM

Dear Cleo,

I should hope it's my faith, since I don't have superstitions. Of course you aren't alone. Many people believe a prayer just drifts up into the darkness. It takes conviction; otherwise I'd lean your way.

I have more than wishful thinking to base my opinion on. Prayers for me were answered, after long years. Then my whole life changed. For 35 years I was on the verge of despair and suicide. But I loved and believed in God. He heard my mother's prayers and answered them. I am willing to swear this.



James2517 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:54 PM
I don't believe anyone has called you a fool. I certainly do not. I call Dreadnaught a fool because he wants to tell others they suffer due to lack of prayer. Prayer is a private matter. Just look at what the Lord though of the Pharisees and the way they prayed in both Luke's and Mathew's Gospels.
Mick135 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:36 PM
Fool? Maybe a different viewpoint, but a fool? Here's what works for me, and millions of others: "God, grant me the Serenity to accept the things i cannot chang, Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference. Thy Will, not mine, be done." Some here will recognize the context; either way, it has helped me to live life in a world i often cannot understand or explain. Does that make me a fool as well? If so, I'll wear the name gladly, and with peace.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:35 PM

Reply to Milt; a glutton for punishment:

"What if even one mother had prayed for her child to protected, and he/she died anyway? Does that mean God was sleeping at the switch? . . you don't know what any one of those parents did, or didn't do to ask God to protect their child, and you sure don't know how God actually works (as opposed to how you BELIEVE he works, Blah,"

In fact; people of faith DO ask God's blessings for their children. That is a GIVEN; except for scoffers. God is NEVER asleep; and there is no FATE. Fate didn't cause 9-11. God allowed that punishment for our SINS. Fate is for simpletons like you.

He has more coming installments of his own judgment of impious souls.

James2517 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:34 PM
Milt never once brought up the issue of gun rights. He merely expressed revulsion at your comments as did I. I consider myself to be a religious person and I found your comments to be deplorable. I still think they are outrageously deplorable.
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:31 PM
Dreadnaught, I have to agree with Milt. There's something bordering on superstition about your "prayer". It might sound like faith but it's more like spiritual Oogely boogly.

Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:20 PM

PS, Milt:

The babies who died in Newtown didn't die because God was angry at mothers who don't pray for their children. He just didn't bless them on a day when they NEEDED His blessing. But now they're safe in His arms, and nothing can ever harm them again.

For this we thank You, Holy and merciful Lord!
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:15 PM


Dear Milt:

I AM in the mainstream of religion in our society. It's fools who demean faith who aren't mainstream.

You pounce on gun rights! You run down the US Constitution rather than reliance on God. What you ought to do is pray for our country; soon to be sold into slavery.

Milt37 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:11 PM
Dreadnaught,

It's not just that you're wrong, you are also a little deluded.

You are the one assuming all 20 kids that were killed had mothers or fathers who didn't pray for God to protect them that day. How could you know that?

What if even one mother had prayed for her child to protected, and he/she died anyway? Does that mean God was sleeping at the switch?

Since you don't know what any one of those parents did, or didn't do to ask God to protect their child, and you sure don't know how God actually works (as opposed to how you BELIEVE he works, you should just shut up.

Most of don't assume how God or fate works, you apparently think you do, so who's the know-it-all?
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 3:09 PM

"Do you really think that the parents who lost a child needs an amateur theologian blaming them for their child's death just because the mother didn't pray to God before sending the tyke to school?"

Reply:

I addressed people who read my posts. I believe EVERY WORD I posted, so I'm stupid.

OK; maybe God will bless us for not praying. I told you as well; people n our country have forgotten how to pray, IMHO. We'll go far, listening to folks like you, Milt.




Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 2:55 PM

I made sure to say, James, I may be wrong.

You call me the fool without any knowledge, but I forgive you. If I'm mistaken about god hearing our prayers, by all means don't pray.

There are dead children about whom you know nothing. I know without any doubt they were not under God's momentary protection as they became victims. He could have saved their lives. Maybe if their mothers' prayers had been heard?

You're a know-it-all. Explain it then. WHY?

Milt37 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 2:52 PM
If God is so great, then why would He only allow certain children to be targeted, just because he was angry at his mother for not praying for protection? Is God, now the REAL Godfather of some celestial Mafia?

It's idiots like Dreadnaught that give mainstream religious people a bad name.
Milt37 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 2:49 PM
Cleo,

James had a similar response to one I would make regarding Dreadnaught's comments.

It's fine to believe in God and prayer, but how would that have protected those poor murdered kids?

"How many tots in Newtown, CT would be living today, if mothers had implored God's protection for them?"

THAT'S where Dread made a dreadfuly stupid, and mean comment. Do you really think that the parents who lost a child needs an amateur theologian blaming them for their child's death just because the mother didn't pray to God before sending the tyke to school?

Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 2:31 PM
Good grief, James. How was your response helpful?
James2517 Wrote: Dec 21, 2012 2:28 PM
You fool - Many of those parents held strong religious beliefs. The mentally unstable 20 year old who took his mother's guns killed those kids - not a lack of prayer. Don't insult the memory of those who dies such a violent death and are now with the Lord.
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