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Rosen: More to be Pitied Than Blamed

Dread Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 11:04 AM
I'm not going to defend the comments, because my wife is a stay at home mom and I respect her tremendously for the work she does. That said, my wife and Ms. Romney are incredibly fortunate that our families are in the financial situations we're in that we can afford to have one parent not working. And I'm even more fortunate that my wife has her parents close by to help her on those days when she's overwhelmed and that I work for a company that is very family friendly. Not everyone has that financial security and support network. We are blessed.
mankai Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 12:23 PM
Fortunate? Are you saying the Romneys lucked into their money?
Dread Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 12:35 PM
Mitt was born into wealth. Ann was born to a business owner, then married a man who was , as already mentioned, born into wealth.

They are extremely fortunate by virtue of their birth to have been born with advantages that the vast majority of people do not have.
bporter Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 11:32 AM
Dread-

Do you feel that your wife deserves no say in important matters because she is "only" a stay at home mom? Does it make a difference if the stay at home mom is sacrificing luxuries or isn't? That is the gist of Rosen's comments - since Ann Romney is a stay at home mom who hasn't worked, her views on any issue are to be belittled and minimized. In other words, she is saying "Mrs. Romney, shut the hell up!"
Dread Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 11:39 AM
My wife is a human being with reason, agency, and a keen intellect. I value her opinion on all topics. I may disagree with what she says, and depending on the topic, I may give her advice more or less weight based on her knowledge of the subject expert, but I always take what she says seriously.

Likewise, Mrs. Romney can make comments on any topic, but as with any public person who opines on a topic, you should weigh their character, expertise, and subject knowledge appropriately.

It's obvious that I disagree with the Ayn Rand inspired economics of the modern GOP as I think it's as unrealistic about human nature as Marxism is, so I'm not inclined to take non-expert promotion of it as seriously as I would others.
bporter Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 11:45 AM
"Likewise, Mrs. Romney can make comments on any topic, but as with any public person who opines on a topic, you should weigh their character, expertise, and subject knowledge appropriately. "

Is that what Rosen did? It seems to me that she dismissed Romney for no other reason than her status as a stay at home mother. I find it odd that you are unable to be critical of Rosen's statement and further reinforcement of the idea that Romney's opinions are to be belittled because she has "never worked a day in her life".
Dread Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 12:15 PM
I thought I made it clear that I was critical when I said I'm not going to defend those comments because I know very well how hard stay at home moms work and respect them tremendously.
Dread Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 11:08 AM
As a tangent, we really need to teach economics (and finance) from grade 1 through 12.

If more people understood how the financial system worked, I think more people would be in a better position in life to make better decisions about their lives. And those who didn't, would no longer have ignorance as a reason.
annfan_777 Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 11:58 AM
Democrats don't want real economics taught - that would expose their fraudulent methods and false theories.
Dread Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 12:18 PM
And Republicans don't want real economics taught because if consumers were smart and well-informed they would demand reform.

And the large corporations that pay for both parties don't want real economics taught because a smart, well-informed consumer is far less likely to go out and buy crap they don't need on their credit cards and spend the rest of their lives working to pay off banks.

But it's a pipe dream of mine that our schools would teach economics and logic/argumentation/critical thinking from grade 1. Our nation would be a very different place if they did.
Mark in CA Wrote: Apr 12, 2012 2:11 PM
So the burden falls on parents to teach their children real economics. I contend that most parents never had how to do so modeled for them when they themselves were being raised. Or perhaps they never had the time. My parents did many things well but were not good at teaching me economics. I had to learn much on my own via Hard Knocks University and, in fact, am still working on my masters there.
Yes, yes, we know that the President is working hard to consolidate support among female voters -- but Obama adviser Hilary Rosen's remarks about Ann Romney "never work[ing] a day in her life" are cynical, shameful, appalling, divisive and above all . . . ignorant.    They constitute the newest iteration of the long-running, ugly and gratuitous left-wing attack on women who have made the very important choice to stay home in order to raise their children themselves.

Perhaps the most insulting implication of Rosen's remarks (from which she shows no sign of retreating)...