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Obama's New Audacity

Dr_Zinj Wrote: Jan 24, 2013 9:30 AM
I don't mind gay couples having the same legal rights as a married man and woman. But a same sex-marriage is NOT marriage; except by some twisted perversion of the long accepted definition. The government can call them ALL Civil Unions. But calling a gay couple married is a lie, just plain wrong, and a violation of the 1st Amendment stipulation against free exercise of religion and laws against establishing any religon.
David3036 Wrote: Jan 24, 2013 1:21 PM
Unfortunately, as the laws exist today, with 1,100 rights and benefits of marriage in federal law alone, "marriage" is the only way to achieve "having the same legal rights." It's just a silly semantic argument to quibble over the use of a word. You and your church will still be free to define marriage in any way you want,
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 24, 2013 3:51 PM
"You and your church will still be free to define marriage in any way you want"

They won't if gay activists get their way.
David3036 Wrote: Jan 24, 2013 4:00 PM
Yes, they will. Gay marriage laws do not affect churches in any way -- only civil marriage is affected. Gays can already be married in a church if want that -- even in many mainstream churches -- but that is not the point of th same-sex marriage laws.

In fact, even thought it is totally unnecessary because of the first amendment, the recent laws have been written with plenty of assurances that churches will not have to perform gay marriage ceremonies -- mostly to placate the legislators who fear the wrath of voters if they vote for gay marriage. Churches have always been free to refuse to marry certain couples such as divorced people.
David3036 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 12:43 AM
NO gay activist I have heard of is pushing to force churches to perform wedding ceremonies, and that would not be possible anyway, under our Constitution. In some cases, private businesses that have refused service to gay couples wanting to marry have run afoul of anti-discrimination laws, not gay marriage laws. It's the same principle that has existed since the lunch counter sit-ins of the 1960s -- that is, if you're in business to serve the public, you had better be prepared to serve ALL of the public.

When he stood before the world to deliver his first inaugural address four years ago, President Barack Obama proudly declared, "We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers." Early in his presidency, he repeated various permutations of this phrase, always reserving the resonant final spot for the "non-believers."

During his first term, Obama also occasionally edited the Creator from the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident," he said, for example, in a Sept. 15, 2010, speech, "that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the...