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How Obama Turned U.S. Economy into "Hostile Work Environment"

dplunkett Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 9:00 AM
Really? Maybe you're a crappy small business owner. My small business is doing just fine. Also, the whole "you didn't build it" speech. You took it totally out of context. You could say that you built the business from the ground up, if that's what you literally did. Did you create every piece of your business. Did you grind rocks to pour concrete? Did you chop down trees to make wood to frame your building? No, that would be ridiculous. No one has the time or the resources for that. Yes, the business was your idea, and your hard work grew your business, but don't forget to give credit to the nation that allowed you to start your business, the banks that gave you your loans, the companies that literally built your business.
David_the-Honeybee_Keeper Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 11:09 PM
Anytime you take your own capital to purchase the concrete, trees, etc., you have done it yourself. As far as "you took it totally out of context", Obama meant that the business owner only could do it because the GOVERNMENT did all the heavy lifting by putting the infrastructure in place. To whatever extent that is true, how do you think the government did it? With money taken from people who had money, among them many small business owners. So Obama not only robs business builders of the credit for building their businesses, he also doesn't even credit them for the money they "contributed" to the "someone else" who he says did build it.
Barbara1247 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 6:34 PM
"allowed you to start your business" - why in hell should I need anyone's permission to make a living by starting a business?
rita182 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 12:18 PM
Just because infrastructure is in place is no guarantee that a particular person will succeed in their his/her endeavors. We all have access to the same basic "stuff"--roads, bridges, concrete, lumber, etc. It's what a person does with them that determines what gets built. I haven't built a small business; I've been busy raising children, caring for a disabled husband and a disabled daughter, to have the energy it takes to start and run a business as well. But the author did put in the energy, hope and sheer grit it takes to succeed in small business. He did build it, with the same materials and infrastructure available to me. I am not a business success, he is. It's how the world works. Our choices define our lives, not our circumstances.
rita182 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 12:21 PM
con't. This whole "you didn't build that" is a fallacious argument, designed by collectivists to demean and discourage innovation and hard work on the individual level. We are to look to the state for our help, not ourselves or our God. It's un-American and evil.
Barbara1247 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 6:36 PM
The small business person also does not get any of the materials or infrastructure for free. Like most of the rest of us who work and pay taxes, he/she pays for those things.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 12:05 PM
Apprently you ARE a crappy small business owner. Just imagine how well it would do if it were run by someone competent. After all, if you had any brains you wouldn't try to sell the bald-faced lie that it is anyone here (rather than yourself) taking the "you didn't build [that]" speech out of context. Obama was claiming that it was the infrastructure put in place by government that resulted in the building of the business which is pure bovine fecal matter. That capitalism induces people to provide goods and services in the marketplace (chopping down trees, etc.) is true but had NOTHING to do with Obama's bogus "point".

The fact is that business are built IN SPITE of the government Obama is growing.
Mike Donohue Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 10:23 AM
If one uses their house as collateral with "the banks that gave you your loans" and one then used the loan proceeds to pay for the concrete and wood, that small business owner is risking their own capital.
Also, banks do not "give" loans; they "sell" loans in a competitive environment.

The Presidential debates were Exhibit A for Obama's habit of "misplacing the truth" (ie lying). Obama told lots of hard-to-believe whoppers about his support of guns; his love of the oil, gas and coal industries; his unshakeable loyalty to Israel; and of course his response to the Libya Embassy attack. Boy can this guy misplace facts.

Only a lawyer could say stuff like that with a straight face.

But the biggest whopper of all was when Obama claimed to be a champion of small business. He stressed this misguided storyline in all three nationally-televised debates. Obama even made...