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Hollywood Won 2012?

Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 2:15 PM
Advertising can sometimes get consumers to choose between trivial alternatives. It cannot get consumers to buy what they do not want. We can be sold on a brand of toilet paper. We cannot be sold on replacing toilet paper with reusable rags. So Bozell begins with a bad premise. If people who watch "Modern Family" are more persuaded gay marriage is acceptable, it's because they see it as a trivial choice. They see it that way because Bozell's crowd has failed miserably. They cannot convince people it's more than a trivial choice. So wake up. Start talking about things that aren't inherently trivial.
George257 Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 4:09 PM
Donjindra: If that were true, campaigners would not have fought so hard to have tobacco advertising banned, and tobacco companies would not have fought so hard to keep it.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:41 PM
"Donjindra: If that were true, campaigners would not have fought so hard to have tobacco advertising banned, and tobacco companies would not have fought so hard to keep it. "

There are still a lot of smokers. And I doubt the lack of TV ads has caused the reduction we've seen. Probably cancer risk had much more affect.

I don't care how good your ads are. You can't sell a bad product the people don't want. Sooner or later it will be rejected by the market.
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 3:47 PM
It can get people thinking freshly about what they might want. Appealing to base motives is, simply and purely, antisocial.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:33 PM
" Appealing to base motives is, simply and purely, antisocial."

Something like gay marriage or fornication may be a lot of things but it's not antisocial. It's very social.

Ron-CA Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 2:36 PM
Yeah, for some reason I am having trouble equating the purchase of a disposable item like toilet paper with the decision to allow moral decay in America. Maybe its just me but I think they're different.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 3:18 PM
It's your concept of moral decay and what you can do about it politically that's trivial.
Earl29 Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 3:32 PM
And your definition of moral decay is what, Don?
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 3:48 PM
So your idea of moral build up is maximal libertinism?
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 3:49 PM
Likely DJ would say that it's when people are not helped in every means possible to do whatever they jolly well might want to, no matter how base.
George257 Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 4:10 PM
Yes, the toilet paper leaves you cleaner, but some of the broadcasting pollutes the airwaves with its filth.
George257 Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 4:11 PM
And the toilet paper fulfils a useful purpose.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:24 PM
"And your definition of moral decay is what, Don?"

My idea of moral decay would involve serious infringement on the liberty of others, and contempt of others. It would be something like a Nazi state or a communist state or a theocratic state or anarchy. But I think we live relatively well ordered, peaceful and free lives in this country -- that is, most of us do.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:25 PM
"So your idea of moral build up is maximal libertinism?"

What is maximal libertinism? Charles Manson? Yes, that would be moral decay.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:26 PM
"Likely DJ would say that it's when people are not helped in every means possible to do whatever they jolly well might want to, no matter how base."

Guess again.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 09, 2012 5:27 PM
"some of the broadcasting pollutes the airwaves with its filth."

TV does? Who forces you to watch?
The television industry loves to claim that all of the sex, violence and foul-mouthed language it displays has zero harmful effects on children. On the other hand, they would never dream of telling their advertisers that their paid messages on TV have no effect. So does the entertainment industry have an impact or doesn't it?

The answer is that Tinseltown certainly has an effect, and when that effect is felt in the political arena, the hell with pretending they don't. They openly celebrate.

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