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5 Reasons God Allows Tragedies Like the Sandy Hook Massacre To Occur

don2496 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 1:15 PM
Without a Supreme creative being who calls the Universe into existence and creates a moral order by virtue of his own Moral character, there is no basis for any sort of judgement of Good or Evil. Why would anything be Good or Evil, because an individual feels it is? If that were true, then the world would be left with (how many humans on Earth?) so many billion moral codes, each one created by the individual person. If there is no Ultimate Moral Code, then my decision to take your life (Mr. atheist) is no more immoral than my decision to eat grapefruit. When the Bible says we were created in God's image it means we were given Free will to choose between Good or Evil.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 1:38 PM
Nonsense. This is more fallacy of authority argumentation. As with all logical propositions, a moral proposition must withstand reasoned criticism and analysis. It is not true or false because of who makes the claim but from its reasoned support.
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 1:40 PM
Give us, then, the "reasoned criticism and analysis" that led you to the conclusion that there is NO God.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 1:59 PM
I have never claimed that there is NO God. I claim that there is no compelling evidence for a deity, so the claim is not justified to accept as true. If compelling evidence were to be presented then I would be justified in accepting the claim.
don2496 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:11 PM
Dear Nawl,
I was actually making two (separate) points there. The first was that absent some non-subjective Morality or Moral code any assertion one would make about moral standards or behavior is mere noise. I am not claiming to be an authority or even saying the Bible is authoritative (although I believe it to be). I am just saying an Atheist (or Agnostic) can never make a Moral judgement at all because without an Ultimate Authority (God or Deity) your Moral code is purely subjective. You have no basis for ANY morality because there is no Standard to weigh your code against.
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:11 PM
There are only two hypotheses for existence. It just happened or a personal, purposeful Intelligence is responsible for all time, space, substance, identity, and causality.

What is the evidence for the former?
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:22 PM
And, don, I completely reject your fallacy of authority, which is what your "Ultimate Authority" is. By such an argument, without an authority to question, you could not reason if its "good" or "bad" to kick old ladies in the head for fun. At all moments in your existence you would have to query your authority for all decisions and blindly accept the answers because your capacity to reason is impotent.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:24 PM
Seems to me that its as supported as the latter. Where is the evidence of your "Intelligent Being"?
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:27 PM
The Anthropic Principle. Whachu got?
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:45 PM
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:48 PM
Checkmate. Later, nawlins. It was fun.
don2496 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 2:58 PM
Nawl, first you completely mistake the fallacy. It's known as Fallacy from Authority or Appeal to Authority and states that appealing to authority is fallacious if the Authority is not an expert or that Authority is not always right. We have no need to constantly question our authority as he left us a Moral Code in stone (you're familiar with The Ten Commandments, no doubt?) and in the person of Jesus Christ who healed the sick, aided the poor and ultimately laid down his life to save the lives of those who needed saving. the capacity to reason is not the same as the capacity to make moral decisions. all serial killers show extreme reasoning capabilities.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 01, 2013 4:41 PM
"It's known as Fallacy from Authority or Appeal to Authority and states that appealing to authority is fallacious if the Authority is not an expert or that Authority is not always right."

Hahahahaha!!! You really have no clue.

As a Christian, it can be difficult to reconcile all the evil that happens in the world with an all knowing, all powerful loving God who could stop it if He wants, but chooses not to do so. If our hearts break for the innocent children who were senselessly murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary, how can a God who loves us not feel the same way? If any of us had known what Adam Lanza was going to do, we would have done anything in our power to stop him, so why didn't God? All too often we tend to quote...