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Using Semantics to Take Down Conservative Representative Todd Akin

Dogs for Romney_TX Chair Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 7:14 PM
ditto to Mom of 4.... My 21 year old son is profoundly handicapped. Although he if fully capable physically, he can't communicate. He is in an institution. HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF HE HAD "NEVER BEEN BORN". YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SQUAT ABOUT HIS LIFE, HIS HOPES, HIS PROMISE OR HIS FUTURE. He has formed deep relationships with several aides, and actually grieved when one of them was transferred to another job. He engage in numerous activities in and around his community. There's not ONE PERSON who has EVER worked with him who does not describe him as a delightful and engaging young man. ERIC SHOULD KEEP HIS HATEFUL OPINIONS TO HIMSELF.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 9:28 PM
Basset, IMO they claim the name "compassion" when what they're really after is not having to bother caring for a child with special needs.

They talk about "quality of life" but its the quality of their own lives they're concerned about, not the children's lives.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 9:27 PM
Yes, you are saying that they should be destroyed.

Abortion is the destruction of a human life.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 9:26 PM
eric, the fact that you do not value your life does not mean that no one else values your life.

Dogs for Romney_TX Chair Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 8:58 PM
There is no difference between them being destroyed in the womb, and being destroyed out of it.

Many people consider it a kindness to save a Down's Syndrome child from being born in the first place. They have no CLUE as to how this child will be able to function, or what his capabililties will be. Likewise for a child with spina bifida, even though such children have been successfully treated with fetal surgery.

Some people even consider it a "kindness" to prevent a child who is blind or a child with a cleft palate from being born.

I say to hell with that kind of lethal "compassion". How about the "kindness" of researching and performing rehabilitation and treatment to make the lives they DO have as full as possible.

ericynot Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 8:52 PM
Basset,

I'm not saying such individuals should be destroyed. I'm saying that with the current state of DNA testing, it's increasingly possible, and kind, to save them from being born in the first place.
Dogs for Romney_TX Chair Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 8:36 PM
In the 30's the Nazis circulated photographs and grainy movies of people with cognitive and physical disabilities. The voice overs described these people as having "no hope, no dignity and 'life without life'".

"Wouldn't it be kinder if we just put these poor souls to a merciful death" they argued. They even set up the T4 program at a "psychiatric institute" in Hademar. Doctors used "objective criteria" to determine which patients were to be put to death. 15000 people were killed there. The society became so desensitized that the killing of millions of Jews became widely accepted. In fact many Hademar staffers later went on to develop the programs at the notorious Nazi concentration camps.
Dogs for Romney_TX Chair Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 8:25 PM
There was a 12 year old boy I encountered briefly in one of the places my son lived. He was in diapers, and was learning how to roll over. I saw him with his mom one afternoon. It was clear that he felt a connection with her, far deeper than your corn snake.

And once again, the answer would be to make sure the 10 year old was supervised, so that his injuries could be detected, and I might add, to provide him with physical and occupational therapy so that he could make use of the cognitive abilities he DOES have.
ericynot Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 7:55 PM
Let me put it this way Bassett. If I'd been born in the state of the 10 yo I described earlier to Mother of 4, I would prefer not to have been born at all. But, then again, if I'd have been born like him, I'd probably not have any opinions about anything. Nor human attachments, nor hopes, nor dreams. I have a pet corn snake with more connection to what most of us consider life than that poor kid had.

I'm sorry if you find that hateful. I do not intend for you or anyone else to feel that way, but I also do not intend to shrink from talking about difficult topics, and injecting what I consider to be common sense into the debate.

Liberal pundits are declaring they have no idea what Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) meant when he referred to “legitimate rape” in an interview this past week. Akin stated, "In cases of legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." It was an awkward, inarticulate statement, but the substance of it was correct. Explaining what he meant since then would be a bit crude, so he has not been able to adequately defend himself. His attackers have used the awkwardness to pounce on him and pretend they don't know what he meant, or